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 Post subject: The Ageing Marvel Cinematic Universe
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:29 pm 
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Next year will mark the 10th anniversary of the first Iron Man film and you do have to wonder how long Downey Jr, Evans, Hemsworth and co will continue playing these roles?

So when the time comes (and assuming the films continue) will Disney just recast and carry on (like they used to do in the Bond movies before Craig) or will they reboot too?

What your preference?

Also assuming the X-Men and FF are coming into the fold how will this affect things? (Should they use any of the actors from the Fox movies or completely ignore those* versions?)

(*I'm thinking more X-Men here than FF of course.)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:39 pm 
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Recast, I think a reboot would be disastrous.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:44 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Recast, I think a reboot would be disastrous.


That's my thought too, after having gone to so much trouble to set everything up.

I wouldn't mind if the X-Men were rebooted though (if/when they get incorporated) as the Fox version is quite messy now.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:45 pm 
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The Amazing Spider-Man showed that people don't need a hard reboot.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:52 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
The Amazing Spider-Man showed that people don't need a hard reboot.


I've still not seen that, but I am glad to hear it, I think people are fed up of Spider-Man being rebooted.


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 Post subject: The Ageing Marvel Cinematic Universe
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:21 pm 
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Andrew Kneath wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Recast, I think a reboot would be disastrous.


That's my thought too, after having gone to so much trouble to set everything up.

I wouldn't mind if the X-Men were rebooted though (if/when they get incorporated) as the Fox version is quite messy now.

So, just like the comics then... :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:49 pm 
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The Universe is getting a bit crowded to if you see the new Avengers Infinity trailer, I count at least 24 major characters in that movie alone. By far the most crowded Marvel film ever, they are throwing in everything including a kitchen sink.

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Recast is the way to go. They've already done it with Rhodey (for different reasons, but still, shows they are willing).


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:40 pm 
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Completely agree with the recast idea, as well. I never cared for the legacy concept that invaded comics. The stories should be here and now, and whatever has already happened should just be "before".

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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Recast, I think a reboot would be disastrous.


For once, Hanzo is right.

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Completely agree with the recast idea, as well. I never cared for the legacy concept that invaded comics. The stories should be here and now, and whatever has already happened should just be "before".


The All-New, Semi-Daring 52 Crisises of Rebirthed Convergences will fix this next year.

And then every year after that.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:03 pm 
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And at what point do we experience superhero fatigue? They've had a hell of a 10 year run (beginning with Iron Man (2008) with each movie getting bigger and bigger making tons of $$$. But one day people will get tired of the same formula, you know, the ever present vortex. the armies of evil bat wing zombie creatures that are easily eliminated, the third act where the good guy battles the bad guy.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:45 pm 
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We have the successful effort of Batman Begins to blame for the reboot tendency. Hopefully, that era is past. Recast, always recast. Flashbacks every now and then for origin details.

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The Spider-Man reboot is now a common joke. I was reading an article about terrorism the other day and the author made a reference to ISIS and their suspected relocation to Indonesia as a possible 'Spider-Man reboot' of their terrorist activities.

They can just recast. It makes much more sense.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:49 am 
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JohnG wrote:
And at what point do we experience superhero fatigue? They've had a hell of a 10 year run (beginning with Iron Man (2008) with each movie getting bigger and bigger making tons of $$$. But one day people will get tired of the same formula, you know, the ever present vortex. the armies of evil bat wing zombie creatures that are easily eliminated, the third act where the good guy battles the bad guy.


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93083&hilit=too+many+superhero

In this thread from a couple of years ago, I said:

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Flame made this point again in the X-Men thread and I think it's an interesting one. We are definitely experiencing a time that most comic fans dreamed of - a time when the comics are being brought gloriously into life. But...I am a bit bored with the whole thing now. I can't get excited about up coming projects despite my love of the two Avengers movies, Iron Man, Cap 2 etc etc. I feel like I could go a long time before ever needing to see another one - and will be relieved, a bit, when the super-hero movie craze is over. It's been overkill, in the past couple of years, it seems to me.


Not sure that the public feel like this yet, but it must surely come - it's essentially the same movie, every time. Doctor Strange should have been really exciting to me, for example, but it just felt by the numbers.


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I don't go to many movies, so I do get excited for the Marvel Studios output.

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I DID really enjoy Thor:Ragnarok and GOTG 2, but I think that's because they were, essentially, comedies with elements of drama, as opposed to say, Iron Man, which is a drama with elements of comedy.


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Simon wrote:
The Spider-Man reboot is now a common joke. I was reading an article about terrorism the other day and the author made a reference to ISIS and their suspected relocation to Indonesia as a possible 'Spider-Man reboot' of their terrorist activities.

They can just recast. It makes much more sense.


And this Spider-Reboot was vastly overrated by my estimation.

I'd rather see Sam Raimi direct Spider Man IV and get on with it.

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I think re-casting is the way to go, but I think a recasting of both Iron Man and Captain America is essentially doomed - I think those actors are so stamped as the characters that the next 'incarnation' of each has a massive uphill battle.


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They might surprise us all and have the characters age, becoming mentors to characters who are 'new' (to the movie audience anyway), and gradually phasing in the new ones as the older characters take a less prominent role. They can always do an in-story reboot too, where Loki pulls some BS mystical stunt and they all become 'younger' versions of themselves of whatever.

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I always thought Old Man Toy Stark would make for a fun story anyway. He needs the armor to
power his heart, fight evil baddies, help him get around the house, to poop, etc.

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Deep down—and perhaps not even all that deep—while watching Marvel movies, cartoons, and
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someone like Bobby Drake would be just showing up in the X-Men when later heroes like Storm were
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