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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:24 am 
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My disagreement with Evans on whether John Byrne qualifies got me thinking -- who do you consider to be a true master of the comic book medium?

Additionally -- what qualifications should a master have? Obviously, clear storytelling is key but I think it has to go beyond telling a story clearly -- any artist considered good (but not a true master) should be able to do that. Things like solid figure drawing, perspective, etc. are all prerequisites for just being a solid artist -- we're talking mastery here. For me personally, I think a true master has to have the following qualities --

    a) Innovation -- The artist has created or popularized narrative techniques or concepts and has thus expanded the medium's potential (ex. Kirby's use of blast lines, exaggerated posing of figures, Kirby crackle, etc.)

    b) Expression -- The artist's work alone can evoke emotions in most readers -- you not only understand the basic story from looking at the art but you also feel a mood, tone and sense of drama from the work

    c) Influence -- I think a true master influences or even forces existing artists to change their game and molds younger artist's approach to learning and understanding sequential storytelling

    d) Range -- The artist can work in a variety of genres and formats

    e) Body of Work -- Should go without saying, but there should be some pretty impressive stories and runs from the creator's career

What else?

And finally -- can a writer who doesn't actually draw sequential art be considered a master of the medium? If so, what qualities must they possess?


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:39 am 
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Not a definitive list, but the easy ones off the top of my head --

    Jack Kirby
    Will Eisner
    Steve Ditko
    Hal Foster
    Alex Raymond
    Milton Caniff
    Joe Kubert
    Wally Wood
    Alex Toth
    Osamu Tezuka
    Walt Kelly
    Moebius
    Frank Miller
    Shotaro Ishinomori
    Bill Watterson
    Mike Mignola


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:25 am 
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Bernie Krigstein
Carl Barks
Herge
Charles Schulz
Noel Sickles
Roy Crane

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:38 am 
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Kirby
Eisner
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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:02 am 
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I think these guys should be included:
Lou Fine
Harvey Kurtzman
Neal Adams
Gil Kane

Possibly:
Al Williamson
Jim Steranko
Jack Cole
Bill Sienkiewicz
Russ Manning
Alex Schomburg
Robert Crumb
Wendy Pini

And I have a soft spot for but:
Michael Kaluta
Dave Stevens
Joe Maneely
Everett Raymond Kintsler

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:16 am 
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Kirby
Kurtzman
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Foster
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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:34 am 
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I haven't seen anyone on this list I would disagree with. I'm adding Milo Manara, P. Craig Russell, Dave Sim, Alex Toth and Bernie Wrightson. For newer guys, I'll throw in Jordi Bernet and Pedro Risso, both of whom I think are brilliant.


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:35 am 
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I agree with everyone who's been mentioned so far, and would add these ones...

Hergé (Georges Prosper Remi)

Albert Uderzo

Peyo (Pierre Culliford)

Richard Corben

Annibale Casabianca

Rene Pellarin

Jacques Bressy

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:27 pm 
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Great. I can't think of anyone not already listed.

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:02 pm 
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Li'l Jay wrote:
Great. I can't think of anyone not already listed.

Russ Heath, you fake Sgt. Rock fan. :evil:


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:11 pm 
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Jay just got played.


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:18 pm 
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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:28 pm 
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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:32 pm 
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I'd add:

Romita, both Senior and Jr. to the list as well.

Unless somehow my eyesight has failed me and I missed their being mentioned.


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:56 pm 
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Marie Severin

Guido Crepax

François Schuiten

Tanino Liberatore

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:58 pm 
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To the developing list, I add John Buscema, David Mazzucchelli, Jaime Hernandez, Alan Davis and Howard Chaykin.

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:59 pm 
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John Byrne.

YES I SAID IT.


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:19 pm 
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Evans wrote:
John Byrne.


Who??

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:31 pm 
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Evans wrote:
John Byrne.

YES I SAID IT.

Meh.

Matt Wagner. I recommend everyone read Grendel: Devil By The Deed. It is brilliant. I think it is reprinted in the first Grendel Omnibus.

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:17 pm 
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I like a lot of these people, but I don't know. "Masters" is a hard title to live up to—
or it isn't much of a title at all, is it? How many true masters can there be in an
art form we're giving only about 100 years to?

And should we separate comic book from comic strip or not?

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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:24 pm 
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Also, what about the guy who does Garfield?


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 Post subject: Masters of the Comic Book Medium
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:17 pm 
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Misses Garfield?

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