Hawkman vs. Wolverine!

Hanzo the Razor · 24 Jun 2007

Wolverine-- his claws can cut through that mace and his healing factor should keep him one step ahead of Hawkman (I'm assuming his powers are only flight and some enhanced strength?).

Monk · 19 Jun 2006

Wikipedia wrote:

The Nth Metal in Hawkman's wings, belt, harness and boots is controlled mentally and allows him to defy gravity. His wings allow him to control flight, though they can be "flapped" through use of shoulder motions.
Hall's Nth metal also enhances his strength and eye-sight, speeds healing, and regulates body temperature, preventing the need for heavy protective clothing while flying at high altitudes. Nth metal is known to affect electromagnetism as well as the strong and weak nuclear forces of the universe, but only if one has the knowledge of how to use it in those ways. It is also mentioned in Hawkman: Secret Files #1 (2002) that Nth metal possesses powers still unknown to Hall.
Due to his multiple incarnations and having the memories of all of them, Khufu/Hall has become proficient in many types of weaponry. As a result, he is an expert with a wide array of archaic weapons from his past lives, including battle axes, maces, swords, spears and shields. As Nighthawk, he was a marksman with a pistol. In addition, Carter Hall is sometimes depicted handling futuristic technology. He has used a Thanagarian ship called "The Brontadon", and during the Rann-Thanagar War used Rannian hard-light armor. Hawkman is even depicted using technologically advanced laser weaponry in a possible future (Hawkman, vol. 4, #9). Reincarnation has also given Hawkman knowledge of hundreds on languages.
As a result of his many lives and vast amount of experience, Hall is a brilliant tactician, fierce warrior, and strong leader; indeed, during the Public Enemies story arc in the Superman/Batman series, he was selected as the perfect hero to confront Batman, possessing the significant advantage of his flight and strength but otherwise being Batman's equal. At the same time, however, he is extremely intelligent (considered a leader in his field of history and archaeology) and expresses a deeply romantic side in relation to his beloved soul-mate.

The healing and his experience over lifetimes as a warrior, plus the flight, gives it to Hawkman, I think.

RobertSwanderson · 01 Jan 2007

Hawkman is much more than wings and a mace. He borders on Vandal Savage when it comes to the experience level.

If Logan goes into one of his berzerker rages, Hawkman's experience trumps Wolverine's claws.

Uncle Twitchy · **Joined:** 28 Nov 2006 **Posts:** 30520

Hawkman's been drawn by Joe Kubert.

Prowl · **Joined:** 08 Oct 2006 **Posts:** 18746

Oooh this is a good one.

I call it a draw, slight edge to Wolverine. It's too easy for Wolverine to cut the strap's on Hawkman's wing harness, wiping out his major advantage.

Rob Steinbrenner · **Joined:** 05 Jun 2006 **Posts:** 49778

Wolverine has 120-50 years of experience, particular now that he remembers. I dont know about Hawkman

I dont know his healing thing is anywhere close to Wolverines.

I also dont know what Hawkman we are talking about.

Prowl · **Joined:** 08 Oct 2006 **Posts:** 18746

I'm lost on Hawkman now. I know he's been rejiggered again with the cosmicy origin? Starlin's just done it?

I don't know why. He was perfectly fine. Johns' solution was perfectly fine. It was done, let's move on. The character had moved forward, and held his own series for a couple of years. Why hamstring him by putting him back to square one? No-one was asking for this. No-one.

Pointless.

RobertSwanderson · 01 Jan 2007

After retcon after retcon, Johns brought it all together with a Hawkman who has been reincarnated over and over since the days of the Sphinx. This explains how he could've led the JSA in the 40's and still be around today. He's basically all of the Hawkmen that we've seen, with the exception of the Hawkworld Katar Hol, who was revealed as a Thanagarian spy.

Prowl · **Joined:** 08 Oct 2006 **Posts:** 18746

RobertSwanderson wrote:

After retcon after retcon, Johns brought it all together with a Hawkman who has been reincarnated over and over since the days of the Sphinx. This explains how he could've led the JSA in the 40's and still be around today. He's basically all of the Hawkmen that we've seen, with the exception of the Hawkworld Katar Hol, who was revealed as a Thanagarian spy.

Hasn't that all been changed again though? I thought Starlin had just recently redid it all, taking it back towards the space cop.

Prowl · **Joined:** 08 Oct 2006 **Posts:** 18746

During the Zero Hour event, Katar Hol was merged with Carter, Shiera, and a "hawk god" creature in a new Hawkman version -- a living avatar of the hawk god who adventured for a brief time, continued to prey on criminals and deal out his own brand of fierce justice. He later went insane (tormented by the voices of all previous hawk avatars in his head), until he was eventually banished to limbo by the combined skills of Arion and the Martian Manhunter.

Because of Carter Hall's return from the dead prior to Infinite Crisis, it has been stated that Katar Hol's soul dissipated from the limbo/hawk realm and is now deceased. Carter Hall currently inhabits a reconstructed version of Katar Hol's post-Zero Hour body.

[edit] Hawkman Special (2008)

This may not be the case, however. Carter Hall, approached by the Demiurge (the nameless god who inspired his namesake to Plato) while in space, he's told how his past history of countless deaths and rebirths is only a lie, the byproduct of grafting to a single body the stories and the personal lives of the countless version of the same character as once they resided in the the multiverse that was before the Crisis on Infinite Earths, and Carter himself is one of the Six Aberrations, six individuals who's personal continuities were wrecked by the destruction and the rebuild of the Multiverse. The Demiurge however addresses Carter as Katar, hinting that the core personality may be Katar, and Carter the graft from the lost Earth-2.

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this crap

Monk · 19 Jun 2006

Ignoring the Starlin stuff, this poll is about the most recent iteration of Hawkman. He's got all of the memories of his past lives and experiences going all the way back to ancient Egypt. We're talking centuries of combat experience, which easily trumps Wolverine's.

Not sure how their healing abilities match up, but even giving Wolverine the edge there, I think Hawkman could take him down for awhile pretty quickly.

Hanzo the Razor · 24 Jun 2007

This is one of the core reasons Marvel beats the pants off of DC in sales. I like Hawkman but who wants to deal with that crap?

Monk · 19 Jun 2006

Well, Wolverine's past is pretty crazy ("He was Little Lord Fauntleroy???"), but it doesn't come up much. DC tends to obsess on continuity, so that even when they have a working version of a character, someone comes along and wants to pick at it.

Rob Steinbrenner · **Joined:** 05 Jun 2006 **Posts:** 49778

I don't know. I don't really care about Hawkman enough, beyond a cool visual, to even read that stuff

He's just a mess.

Hanzo the Razor · 24 Jun 2007

With Wolverine, you can still just say "mysterious past". With Hawkman, if you want to explain his poersonality at all, you've got to go through that nonsense.

Prowl · **Joined:** 08 Oct 2006 **Posts:** 18746

It's just sad because Hawkman WAS fixed.

Johns fixed it. He's one of DC's star writers. Why the heck did they decide to change it?

They've alienated the few Hawkman fans they got from JSA etc, for what?

A oneshot special?

Blah.

Monk · 19 Jun 2006

Hawkman - Egyptian ruler reincarnated over the centuries. Current incarnation is an alien cop from outer space. He flies and hits stuff with a mace. Go.

That's all you need.

RobertSwanderson · 01 Jan 2007

Johns had it completely fixed. He even fixed it so that you had an explanation and reason for having future versions of Hawkman (he was basically Dr. Who, someone who had a built-in excuse for appearing as a different person every few years).

If DC allowed Starlin or anyone to fuck that up, they should be horsewhipped.

Gregg H · 14 Jul 2008

This one is as close to a draw as I can think of.

Wolverine will heal faster, but Hawkman is more maneuverable and probably stronger.

I consider the experience factor just about a wash. I figure a hundred years or a thousand years, a lot of experience is a lot of experience.

I voted for Carter, but it was almost a coin flip.

Tommy Tomorrow · 13 Jun 2006

Rob Steinbrenner wrote:

I don't know. I don't really care about Hawkman enough, beyond a cool visual, to even read that stuff

He's just a mess.

No bro, that's Aquaman.

Steve Kipling · 18 Jan 2006

I've heard that wolverine is the best at what he does,and what he does is not very nice.

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