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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:38 am |
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Couldn't find this, but I bet there was a thread somewhere I remember somewhat fondly IMPACT and DC's previous license of the Archie heroes. Quote: While JMS may one day want to pair Vertigo and DC characters and more, but as has now been revealed, Brave and the Bold will see something more.
Using the book as his platform, Straczynski will be taking on and introducing the group of heroes commonly known as the “Archie heroes”, that is, the super-hero characters that were generated by Archie Comics beginning in the ‘40s (and who have had various incarnations in the decades since). Among the more famous of the characters are The Shield, The Web, The Comet, The Fly, The Jaguar, and The Black Hood.
Newsarama: Right off, tell me about your personal relationship to the Archie hero characters. Are they a group that you yourself fondly recalled? How did the prospect of your working on the characters come to DC?
J. Michael Straczynski: I enjoyed the characters a lot as a kid, and had a real fondness for them born of nostalgia and the sense that they were just really off-beat and interesting characters. I wasn't as keen on the later incarnations or reinterpretations of them, because I thought they went a bit afield of what made them compelling, but never lost my fondness for the originals. When it was decided I'd start with B&B at DC, Dan mentioned that they were working on getting some of these characters and that I could, if I wanted, fold them into the DC universe by way of this book...not as later incarnations, or revisions, but as themselves, rebooting their origins from the start. I thought it was a terrific and exciting idea, as I love the idea of rediscovering or redefining heroes, as evinced in The Twelve. So for me, this is a seriously fun thing to do.
NRAMA: Will the characters be part of the wider DC Universe proper?
JMS: That's not my call, but it's my understanding that yes, they want to re-introduce those characters into the DCU proper.
NRAMA: How many of these characters will you be handling? Anything you can mention in terms of specific characters?
JMS: I'm still awaiting the final list of cleared characters from DC. Once that list is in hand, I can answer more intelligently.
Quote: Dan DiDio on Bringing the Archie Heroes to the DCU
For those who don’t know them, “Archie heroes” surely brings up all the wrong mental images. This isn’t Archie, Jughead and the gang dressing up as superheroes – “Archie heroes” refer to the superheroes created prior to Archie and published by MLJ Comics in the ‘40s through the ‘60s. The roster of characters include the first patriotic superhero, The Shield (he beat Captain America to the newsstands by 14 months in Pep Comics #1, January 1940), Jaguar, The Fly, Hangman, Black Hood, The Comet, The Web, the group called The Mighty Crusaders, and more.
Newsarama: Dan, how did the deal get rolling with Archie for the use of these characters? Obviously, you had use of the characters before with the Impact line in the mid ‘90s, but that was an administration or two ago... So how does the deal work? Is this a full-on acquisition or a license deal?
Dan DiDio: It’s a license deal, but we’re handling it differently than we did with Impact. The characters and the interpretations of those characters as they were done with Impact will not be used in the DCU. We’ve gone back to the original incarnations of the characters, which were introduced in the ‘40s and ‘60s and such, and distilling down to what we feel are the strongest characters of the bunch.
What we want to do, and the best part about this is having such a great writer like Joe Straczynski on board for this, is that we wanted to give Joe a point of difference for the Brave and Bold book. It just wasn’t going to be about “Batman and...” Here, working with the Archie characters, there will be both team ups with Batman and among themselves, and even the potential for solo stories. This allows us a really great showcase to introduce these characters and slowly bring them into the DC Universe.
NRAMA: What’s the larger plan here by introducing them into the DC Universe?
DD: My goal is to help broaden or expand on what the DCU is, both with the Archie characters and with the Milestone characters. The stories will be taking place inside the DC Universe proper. Because of that, I feel that it helps to broaden the horizons of the DC Universe as well.
NRAMA: Speaking both as a fan of the characters and as someone who’s overseeing what Joe has in store, who’s an odds-on favorite for being the breakout character?
DD: That’s a tough one. I have my own personal favorite – I’ve like to see The Hangman break out, along with The Hood and The Shield...there are several of the characters that I really do enjoy and feel that they serve as particular areas that, when presented properly, and knowing that they’re in Joe’s hands, I know that they will be presented property – that I think can be strong examples of the types of characters that we don’t currently have in the DC Universe.
NRAMA: And the Mighty Crusaders? You looking for a team book to spin out of this as well?
DD: You bet.
NRAMA: Are they going to have their own flavor as characters?
DD: I hope so.
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Dr. Chris Evil
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:19 am |
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Archie does not belong in the DC Universe. I know they're only integrating the heroes thus far, but you know how these modern day editors-in-chief are!!
The Archies should dump Dan DiDio out of a car in front of the DC building, with Moose yelling "Stay out of Riverdale!"
Jughead's Final Hamburger Crisis is only a year away, folks.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:02 am |
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This could be cool but it will be tough to pull off with some of those dated outfits.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:30 am |
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God dammit!
Yeah, I'll give this a shot.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:42 am |
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I miss the Impact Jaguar but I'll probably check this out.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:12 am |
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Hey, now Alan Moore can go back to DC and do Watchmen the way he originally intended 
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:02 pm |
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Someone should do a dark limited series starring Wangman, the Blye, Field, The Net, Grommit, The Mustang, and The White Hood.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:14 pm |
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I'll probably get this. I can't seem to follow announcements and DC's plans, so somebody keep me posted in this thread when it's time to buy something.
I'm especially intrigued that The Shield beat Captain America to the "punch" (so to speak) and debuted in Pep #1. I've always thought of Pep as the Archie book.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:27 pm |
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They're fun concepts that deserve to be published. I'll try out any that are well-written. Since this is DC, that might mean "none except for the one they give to Geoff Johns".  I hope at least one of them joins the JSA. Actually I hope Jurgens and Ordway get some of this action too, they'd be fantastic on these characters ... Hmm. Uncle Rog has cryptically mentioned a possible ongoing gig. Might he be one of the writers?
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:32 pm |
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:43 pm |
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I like the idea of this, but would prefer something more on the lines of the IMPACT! books...put them in their own world and only have very very minimal crossovers with the DCU proper...at the very least, keep some of the updated looks and takes on the characters from IMPACT!...
i recently re-read several of the IMPACT! books and i have to say they were comics done right in a time when there were few comics being done right...
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:54 pm |
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Steven Clubb wrote: Hey, now Alan Moore can go back to DC and do Watchmen the way he originally intended  Kill off the Quality heroes? It's been done.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:29 pm |
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The problem with the IMPACT line (as was the problem with most of the new universes of the 90s) was that it grew from 1 to 4 books in to short of a time.
There were only two successful universe launches in the 90s. The first was Image, which was dependent on having super-star talent on their books. The other was Valiant that slowly grew their universe... only when they decided to proliferate at a set rate, instead of when the market would support a new book, did they falter.
The others, such as Milestone, 2099, Impact, the Dark Hose one, and others, basically decided that they needed 4 monthly titles as quickly as possible. So, instead of growing a line of quality books, they pretty much sold it as a complete universe. When people dropped a title, they often dropped the entire line. Something that might not have happened if they hadn't pushed the Universe aspect... and hadn't thrown regular cross-over events at them.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:01 pm |
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RobertSwanderson wrote: Steven Clubb wrote: Hey, now Alan Moore can go back to DC and do Watchmen the way he originally intended  Kill off the Quality heroes? It's been done. According to that interview someone posted in the Watchmen movie thread, Moore says that the very first thought that later grew into Watchmen was the idea that he would bring back the Archie heroes, beginning with the 1960s Shield being found murdered.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:02 pm |
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Oh, and I also enjoyed the !mpact line, especially the Fly and the Jaguar, but I don't know much about these characters in their original Golden and Silver Age incarnations. It might be interesting, but I agree that some of the costumes, especially the Fly's, seem dated.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:33 pm |
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And the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents still continue to float in limbo.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:39 pm |
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Because of John Carbonaro.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:40 am |
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:59 pm |
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For december or January, looks like Archie is taking advantage of this
ADVENTURES OF THE FLY TP VOL 01 (AUG042451)
by Various From the dawn of the Silver Age of Comics! Tommy Troy is a young boy whose world is turned upside down when he meets an emissary of the Fly World and is given a special ring that magically transforms him into the superhuman Fly! Considered an early prototype for Spider-Man and one of the pioneering superhero titles of the Silver Age, comic legends like Jack Kirby, Joe Simon, and Jack Davis chronicled The Fly's earliest adventures! This special edition that collects titanic tales from 1959 and 1960 features painstaking restorations of all stories, faithful re-coloring and a foreword by Joe Simon! Product Code: OCT083853 MIGHTY CRUSADERS TP VOL 01 ORIGIN OF SUPER TEAM (STAR20125)
by Various From the Silver 1960's! It's a pop-art explosion as some of the wildest heroes in the history of comic books unite to form one of the most beloved super-teams of the sixties - The Shield! The Black Hood! The Comet! The Fly! Fly Girl! It's all here in this colorful collection reprinting classic stories originally appearing in Fly-Man #31-33 and Mighty Crusaders #1. These titanic 1965 tales are courtesy of such comic book legends as writer (and Superman co-creator) Jerry Siegel and artist Paul Reinman (Spider-Man).
SHIELD AMERICAS FIRST PATRIOTIC COMIC BOOK HERO TP (STAR1600
by Various Straight from the Golden Age, relive the early days of comics' first super-patriot - a hero with great power, strength, and courage who donned the colors of the American flag, lived for democracy, and protected the world from foes of freedom! No, it's not who you think, it's The Shield! Leaping from the pages of Pep Comics #1 in January, 1940, The Shield bested his better-known counterpart by over a year. Cover by Mark Heike.
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:47 pm |
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Well, ase don how well DC's used the Charlton and Fawcett heroes, I can't say I'm terribly excited by this, but I'll check it out. I've always felt IMPACT was lame ass, even when I was a kid, but really like Thunder-Bunny.
Bring back Thunder-Bunny!
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:06 pm |
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This is a project that John Byrne of the eighties would have absolutely nailed...
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Post subject: Archie Heroes at DC-Fly, Hangman, Shield Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:09 pm |
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This has me missing the JLA / JSA Summer team-ups.
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