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Andrew Farago
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:07 pm |
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I took a trip home last month and pulled my Avengers collection out of storage, and I just finished re-reading the entirety of Roger Stern's run on the title, which was even better than I remembered it. Thanks for 60 issues' worth of great stories, Unca Rog.
The first issue I bought off of the newsstands (#286) was actually one of your final issues, which you plotted but didn't script. I've got a few questions about this era, and I'm sure that some will be much easier than others to answer. Anyway...
1. You wrapped up your run about a year prior to Avengers #300. Can you tell us anything about your plans for the title if you'd stayed on for that particular anniversary issue?
2. How much of the Super-Adaptoid/Fixer/Heavy Metal story was based on your ideas and concepts, and how much of it was left for Ralph Macchio and Mark Gruenwald to fill in?
3. Did you have anything to do with this subplot, pictured below? To the best of my knowledge, no one ever followed up on this guy, and for me, this is one of the most memorable scenes in Avengers history, since it's from the second issue I'd ever read, and 20 years later, it's still a mystery why he got so worked up over Marrina. I'm tempted to pitch a Dan Smallwood one-shot to Marvel, just so I can get some sense of closure.
Thanks!
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Roger Stern
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:18 pm |
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Andrew Farago wrote: I took a trip home last month and pulled my Avengers collection out of storage, and I just finished re-reading the entirety of Roger Stern's run on the title, which was even better than I remembered it. Thanks for 60 issues' worth of great stories, Unca Rog.
The first issue I bought off of the newsstands (#286) was actually one of your final issues, which you plotted but didn't script. I've got a few questions about this era, and I'm sure that some will be much easier than others to answer. Anyway...
1. You wrapped up your run about a year prior to Avengers #300. Can you tell us anything about your plans for the title if you'd stayed on for that particular anniversary issue? I was still working that out, but I'd hoped to engineer a big cosmic dust-up with Loki. Oh, and Power Man was going to join the team. Quote: 2. How much of the Super-Adaptoid/Fixer/Heavy Metal story was based on your ideas and concepts, and how much of it was left for Ralph Macchio and Mark Gruenwald to fill in? I really don't recall. And unless I someday unearth my old notes on those issues, I may never be able to say. All I can tell you is that I plotted those first two issues before I was fired, and never really read what was done with them. Didn't read the Avengers again until Br'er Byrne's brief run as writer...and after that, not until Kurt Busiek took over. (I did later acquire most of the issues in between while researching Avengers Forever.) But "Heavy Metal" was not my title for the storyline. Quote: 3. Did you have anything to do with this subplot, pictured below? To the best of my knowledge, no one ever followed up on this guy, and for me, this is one of the most memorable scenes in Avengers history, since it's from the second issue I'd ever read, and 20 years later, it's still a mystery why he got so worked up over Marrina. I'm tempted to pitch a Dan Smallwood one-shot to Marvel, just so I can get some sense of closure.  Thanks!
Oh, I'd forgotten all about that scene. Dan Smallwood was the grandson of the old couple who literally raised Marrina from the egg. Growing up alongside Marrina, Dan had a sort of unrequited love for her -- despite what the copy says, they were not childhood sweethearts. I was going to -- eventually -- have Dan show up on the Avengers' doorstep, and there was going to be some friction between Dan and Namor.
But of course, no one who followed me on the book had any interest in that. And with the way things turned out, it was probably just as well.
-- Uncle Rog
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Steve
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:39 pm |
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What do you call a camel with three humps?
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How painful was it to read The Crossing when researching Avengers Forever? 
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Andrew Farago
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:11 pm |
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THANK YOU!!! Once Marrina left the scene in Walt Simonson's run, the realization set in that I'd probably never find out what the deal with Dan Smallwood was. I suppose he read about Marrina's death in the newspapers a couple of weeks later, may or may not have contacted the Avengers, and probably got a nice hand-written note from Captain America for his troubles.
What a relief...
And Power Man in the Avengers? Are you crazy? That would never work...
Thanks again for answering our questions!
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Roger Stern
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:29 pm |
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Roger Stern
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:34 pm |
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Andrew Farago wrote: THANK YOU!!! Once Marrina left the scene in Walt Simonson's run, the realization set in that I'd probably never find out what the deal with Dan Smallwood was. I suppose he read about Marrina's death in the newspapers a couple of weeks later, may or may not have contacted the Avengers, and probably got a nice hand-written note from Captain America for his troubles.
What a relief...
And Power Man in the Avengers? Are you crazy? That would never work... Well, first they were going to clear him in the death of Iron Fist.  Quote: Thanks again for answering our questions!
Just doing my best,
-- Uncle Rog
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Andrew Farago
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:28 pm |
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And right after Power Man, Wolverine could join the team. Then Spider-Man. Then...
Ah, what could have been. John Buscema's Power Man would've been fun, and that could've opened the door for Iron Fist coming back and joining the team.
As much as I enjoyed the Walt Simonson-written issues at the time, I don't think Captain Marvel II ever really recovered from the late 1980s "Avengers Disassembled" story. It's almost as if there weren't room in the Marvel Universe for a powerful character with no psychological problems, a stable family life, and who really had her act together.
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Marcus
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:08 pm |
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Steven Myers
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:58 pm |
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The Crossing started off very interresting....that's about all the good things to say about it. Except that it was better than Heroes Reborn and Disassembled...put together.
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Marcus
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:30 pm |
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Roger Stern
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:36 am |
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Earned every Gray Hair
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Pope Krysak
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:36 pm |
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Pontifex of the Ridiculous
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I've been rereading Uncle Rog's Avengers run for the last few weeks. Definitely ranks up there as one of my favorite comic runs in general, and Avengers run, of all time. It had the classic look and feel but at the same time really created a new team dynamic. It was great to see the Wasp grow as a leader throughout the years. It was my start to reading the Avengers. That and the Englehart/Milgrom West Coast Avengers were what cemented my love of the great Assemblers.
Classic comics to be sure.
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Steve
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:08 pm |
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What do you call a camel with three humps?
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Here's a question: We know that "Kree-Skrull War" was a tagline given to that 1970s plotline by fans, well after it had started. Was it the same with "Mansion Siege" or was that a name given by editorial at some point?
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Gregg H
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:28 pm |
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Marcus, I also worked in a store called Heroes World. Mine was owned by the company that MArvel ended up buyin out and blowing up.
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Marcus
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:56 pm |
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Gregg H
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:00 pm |
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HA! I worked in the Woodbridge store, and the small warehouse they opened in Matawan NJ until a couple months before they sold out. Funny thing, I found out a couple years later Gordon ended up as a store manager for Stables somewhere. I hear he is still a tool.
_________________ Halecki's inevitable truth in life #1:
All women, no matter how mature, intelligent, and emotionally well adjusted they may seem to be when you meet them, will without fail, do SOMETHING in their life for which they deserve to be shot.
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Marcus
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:12 pm |
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Gregg H
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:53 pm |
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Gordon was Ivan's (the owner) cousin that ran all of the stores for him, loke an overall general manager. He had a patch over one ear all of the time. I worked there from about 90-93.
Small world huh.
_________________ Halecki's inevitable truth in life #1:
All women, no matter how mature, intelligent, and emotionally well adjusted they may seem to be when you meet them, will without fail, do SOMETHING in their life for which they deserve to be shot.
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Marcus
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Post subject: The Avengers: A 20-year old dangling plotline... Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:00 pm |
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