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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:34 pm 
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I've got 4 rooms to paint

Rollers?

Or are those paint sprayers good? (or are they just too messy?)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:37 pm 
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I've got 4 rooms to paint

Rollers?

Or are those paint sprayers good? (or are they just too messy?)


I've never tried sprayers. I would bet you have to really know what you're doing to use them. I've always found that rollers for the large areas and brushes for trim work do the job fine.

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 Post subject: Painting-house
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:43 pm 
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knowing me, i'd spray it all over the place.

Plus, the good ones cost a decent amount of money.

But if it worked, it would be sooo much quicker.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:44 pm 
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You should be able to rent a paint sprayer from a Home Depot tool rental centre. They may be able to answer some questions for you at the very least


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:30 pm 
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With a spray rig, you'll need to tape/mask off REALLY good whatever you don't want paint on. I'm tempted to do my ceilings that way...

Prep all your walls first. Fill holes with filler and sand if need be. Caulk all moulding and joints. Fill cracks. Let it dry really good before painting. For larger holes, you might have to fill them twice with compound. This can take a day in and of itself sometimes.

Get a 3 or 4 inch Purdy brand brush for whatever type of paint you're using (latex or oil). It's very expensive, but it will last a VERY long time if cleaned properly. Keep the little cardboard thing it comes in. Wet it with water first, then shake the heck out of it to get as much out as you can. Let it sit for a day (use the storage method as below). Then use it to paint with. "Cut" all your edges, corners, and above/below trim first. Come out a pretty decent distance from the edges and corners. This will help later. After cleaning the brush really good (rinse with water if latex - I don't fool much with oil) swipe it back and forth over your toe outside (longways up and down) to help get the water out. Wrap it in saran rap, but back in little cardboard holder, then put it in the refrigerator. When you're done painting, don't wrap it or put it in the refrigerator, but just hang it upside down in the garage.

Use a roller for the wall. Get Lambskin medium or long shag rollers. They have a sort of green label. Expensive once again, but if well cleaned will last you the entire job (unless you're using primer). I have YET to see these rollers "throw" a lot of paint.

Get a 5 gallon bucket from Home Depot and a roller screen (ask them). Hang it over the side of the bucket and pour your paint into the 5 gallon bucket. Use a roller with an extension. This is what my boss (Paint Shop Supervisor) and his crew's use. Use the screen to evenly distribute the paint over the roller. Roll everything twice leaving about an hour dry time between coats. If you cut really well, you won't have to re-cut everything. If you are done for the night, take a garbage bag (plastic), cut the sides, place it over the 5 gallon bucket, and use masking tape to secure it. It will last thru the night if not a day or two. This way you won't lose more paint by re-transferring it to the original container. When complete, wash everything really well and you'll have it for next go around.

Paint your molding last. I'd paint the walls with eggshell and the trim either a semi, medium gloss. It will last longer and your walls won't be an annoying shiny sheen to them.

USE CANVAS DROP CLOTHS! Even I, who is the cleanest painter in the world has learned many painful lessons about this.

The Blue 3M tape - I can give or take it. The bad thing about it is 1. sometimes it lets paint seep underneath it if there's not a really good seal and 2. if you leave it too long, and the paint dries on it, when you go to pull it (latex paint) it might tear the paint you want on the wall.

I'm sure I missed something. Hope this helps. Maybe I'll do a step by step with photos.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:34 pm 
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Wow. Thanks Judge.

This is more complex job than I originally believed, but at least I know what I am in for.


I am going to print it out and re-read several times.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:00 pm 
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Soaking the roller heads in a sink or extra bucket before the final washing for the night will help keep them clean. Feel free to ask questions along the way.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:03 pm 
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Judge's knowledg is without peer, but allow me to add the lazier view. My goal is less time and stress, a little more money for disposable materials. I've been painting on and off for 15 years, in 5 houses.

I like large paint pads instead of rollers. The paint management is so easy, and they don't have to be dipped as often. They have a sharp edge, so you can cut in closer with them, avoiding the need for a brush cut-in on some walls. Still need the brush for trim and molding. The pads cost about 3.50 a piece, but you only need one per color, per job. I throw them away when done. They are right next to the rollers at the store. I use Shur-Line ( http://www.epaintstore.com/brushes/shur ... intpad.htm )

When I use rollers, I use disposable roller covers. I'd rather throw a little money at it than worry about clean up as much. They're pretty cheap. A few dollars. (Edited to add: I would always have some rollers on hand for a full room job. I just roll away for the big wide open spaces.)

I use the roller tray, with the disposable plastic tray liners. The tray liners cost a about a buck, but you buy your way out of cleaning anything. One tray liner per color per job. That's it. A large paint pad and regular roller use the same kind of roller tray.

I do agree about the brush -- I buy the Purdy's and clean them well. There's not a disposable brush solution that is worthwhile.

I do agree with the canvas drop cloth. When I have tried plastic ones, they get messy and don't lay as well.

Use latex paint if at all possible -- easier to work with, and cleans up with water.

Use primer -- I find it's a good idea to start with a layer of primer no matter what you are doing. It's a magic cure-all. It ensures the paint you are applying will not react negatively to the paint under it. Just buy the primer from the same brand as the paint you are buying, and have it tinted to match your color (it's free to have it tinted).

I use "White Lightning" caulk. It paints well and has been used for years. Make sure the caulk you buy is latex (not silicone). If it is labeled "painter's caulk" it will certainly be latex (and therefore okay).

Another hint: get a plastic bin and store all your "paint stuff" in it when you are done. It's a pain in the butt to round all that stuff up next time you have to paint. And you will paint again, oh yes. Easier to inventory next time, and you don't mind buying extras of stuff.

I agree with everything da Judge says, except as expressly amended here (great stuff on brush cleaning, good ideas to do, paint technique, etc.)

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 Post subject: Painting-house
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:13 pm 
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When you get to the root of this that you may need two coats of primer and two coats of paint per room, those four rooms turn into sixteen rooms. I recommend one of the power rollers from Home Depot or Lowe's. One of the ones that are set up to accommodate a bucket of paint and a feeder tube inserted. It will be worth the $70.

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 Post subject: Painting-house
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:22 pm 
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I just finished a bedroom and am working touching up the trim down stairs. What the Judge says is true. I find a small roller and pads are good for trim but I like to cut edges with a good brush. There is a lot of good advice at the local papint store (Wallauer's, here) rather than a Home Depot or Lowe's. Also, I use Benjamin Moore paint as I feel it covers better than other brands.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:35 am 
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Why did I buy a house again?

Sigh.

;)

Thanks guys!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:07 am 
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All really good advice.

Jay is right on with the "easy vs. harder" type of theory for painting. I'm obsessive compulsive with things like this, so if it's not perfect, then I get really uneasy, can't sleep, etc. I don't care for pads because when I've used them, they leave slide marks on the wall, which I can't deal with. I'm probably not using them right, but in the 12 -15 or so years I've done painting on and off, I'm locked into one way of doing it now. The biggest help is that my supervisor is in charge of the Paint Shop where I work, so I've got tremendous knowledge of a contractor angle on painting (do it fast, do it clean - get in, get out, get paid...)

About primer - Jay and Greg are right on. The biggest reason for priming is a drastic color change or sucky paint thats already on the wall. I painted my dinning room dark burgandy, so when I primed it from a greenish color, I used pink in the primer. Sounds weird, but the results are excellent. The primer give a base coat for the actual paint color to build off. If you start with a green wall and put 2 coats of just red paint on it, believe it or not that red will not be the same pure color as if you prime it with pink (or even the finished color). When painting a purple wall use black in your primer, etc. Other rooms in my house I just painted over the existing paint without primer without problems

A note on sheen: (not the Hollywood family) there are all different sheens or finishes of paint you can get ranging from flat to high gloss. This is how shiny or dull the finish is. Each have good and bad points. Flat is my favorite, but VERY hard to clean, so I use eggshell or satin. I can't stand high gloss - it makes all the walls in your house really shiny. Medium is too much for me, but the high and medium clean REALLY well. I use a medium for my trim even tho I hate the sheen, it can clean easier than an eggshell. Whatever you choose, remember that you're going to have to live with it (unless you repaint in...) so to me this is a big point. Buying a quart or two of paint is a relatively inexpensive way of testing the sheen. And when you pick one, you can keep that quart for touch ups later on (throw away the one you don't choose so you don't get mixed up.) For my exterior of my house I had like 3 or 4 colors for my trim, but I wanted to make sure the color I picked was what I wanted. I made the mistake of NOT (re)priming the trim outside (we primed everything really good with one coat before painting) so now the paint is looking thin in some places (about 4 years).

It really depends on the time, money, and results you are willing to live with. Most paint jobs I see people do are fine to the eye (you'd be surprised what people miss) but I obsess on them in my own home.

Just relax and make it a fun time. Sounds corny, but enjoy it. Don't rush and you'll be done before you realize it.

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Rob Steinbrenner wrote:
Why did I buy a house again?

Sigh.

;)

Thanks guys!


Becuase you want to start a family?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:16 am 
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I did?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:33 pm 
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I wanted to say I do, but they do this b.s. I will stuff instead ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:15 pm 
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You could try setting off a bomb in a paint can. The Mythbusters demonstrated that that's a viable way of creating modern art on your walls. If you want to do a neat job, though, it's not the best method....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:25 pm 
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This has just shown me it is a bigger job then I thought.

I don't want to start now.

But the wife wants it done, and what the wife wants, she gets.

Hopefully a few people can help me.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:11 pm 
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Rob Steinbrenner wrote:
This has just shown me it is a bigger job then I thought.

I don't want to start now.


I get that feeling of malaise -- that's why I just whack away with what's easiest and use throwaway stuff. Throw money at it to overcome hesitation anxiety. It doesn't affect the price tag that much.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:34 pm 
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Rob Steinbrenner wrote:
This has just shown me it is a bigger job then I thought.

I don't want to start now.

But the wife wants it done, and what the wife wants, she gets.

Hopefully a few people can help me.


It'll go a lot better if you can get some friends to help. Besides having more hands, it's more fun. Almost all of my painting has been in groups.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:05 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:49 pm 
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Rob Steinbrenner wrote:
This has just shown me it is a bigger job then I thought.

I don't want to start now.

But the wife wants it done, and what the wife wants, she gets.

Hopefully a few people can help me.

Screw all these crazy people, Rob, here's what I do. :)
Buy the more expensive paint, which says it only needs one coat.
Toss down a tarp, put masking tape around your corners where the woodwork and ceiling meet the wall.
Grab a can of paint a brush, and a roller with pan
Fill roller pan, start painting, keeping the tarp under you.
Finish rolling, hit corners with the brush.
Give it a second coat, despite what that can said.
Touch up any missed spots and brush strokes.
Clean brush, throw the rest of that shit away, and put the lid on the paint.
Done.

Unless you're painting white over dark walls, you don't need to bother with primer. You may have to fill holes where pictures were hung in the past before you begin, but that takes 10 minutes with a spackling knife and a tub of putty. I can paint a medium sized room (15x15) in just a few hours.


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