Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm
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When I ordered this on amazon I thought I was ordering the LP, when the CD came I thought something was wrong, Well, I decided to listen to CD and not hassle an exchange. I'm so glad I did too, the CD sounds really good and I no longer feel I have to have the vinyl, I'm really enjoying this one as I don't usually have a second listen to new stuff right away. This one absolutely yelled out for a replay asap, pass this one up and you will be sorry. I usually get the vinyl if available for new releases, maybe I should check out more CD's.
Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:01 pm
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When I ordered this on amazon I thought I was ordering the LP, when the CD came I thought something was wrong, Well, I decided to listen to CD and not hassle an exchange. I'm so glad I did too, the CD sounds really good and I no longer feel I have to have the vinyl, I'm really enjoying this one as I don't usually have a second listen to new stuff right away. This one absolutely yelled out for a replay asap, pass this one up and you will be sorry. I usually get the vinyl if available for new releases, maybe I should check out more CD's.
FYI, the last two cuts on the CD are not on the LP. The LP is clear vinyl (my copy, anyway) and is pretty cool, though.
Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
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Greg Carrier wrote:
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When I ordered this on amazon I thought I was ordering the LP, when the CD came I thought something was wrong, Well, I decided to listen to CD and not hassle an exchange. I'm so glad I did too, the CD sounds really good and I no longer feel I have to have the vinyl, I'm really enjoying this one as I don't usually have a second listen to new stuff right away. This one absolutely yelled out for a replay asap, pass this one up and you will be sorry. I usually get the vinyl if available for new releases, maybe I should check out more CD's.
FYI, the last two cuts on the CD are not on the LP. The LP is clear vinyl (my copy, anyway) and is pretty cool, though.
Greg,
Is that your comment on the one-star review on Amazon?
Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:14 am
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John D. wrote:
When I ordered this on amazon I thought I was ordering the LP, when the CD came I thought something was wrong, Well, I decided to listen to CD and not hassle an exchange. I'm so glad I did too, the CD sounds really good and I no longer feel I have to have the vinyl, I'm really enjoying this one as I don't usually have a second listen to new stuff right away. This one absolutely yelled out for a replay asap, pass this one up and you will be sorry. I usually get the vinyl if available for new releases, maybe I should check out more CD's.
FYI, the last two cuts on the CD are not on the LP. The LP is clear vinyl (my copy, anyway) and is pretty cool, though.
Greg,
Is that your comment on the one-star review on Amazon?
Nope. I bought the CD first, and liked it so much I splurged on the vinyl, so I'm good. Besides, I know that you can't fit nearly as much on a vinyl record as you can on a CD, so either songs had to be left off, or a second vinyl disc had to be added.
Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:45 am
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back in the beginning of the CD age they would entice buyers with extra tracks on the CD's over the vinyl.
the record companies were ingenious when it came to the onslaught of CD's, they knew they were on the precipice of making all the record collectors re-buy their entire collections and they took every possible advantage they could to fuel it.
then for the next 30+ years they tried and tried to do it again, albeit quite unsuccessfully until they came up with another ingenious idea.......lets re-market and re-make vinyl....we'll start a campaign saying how wonderful vinyl sounds compared to those terrible digital sounding metal discs and it fucking worked!
think about it for a while, it really does make perfect sense and it really was marketing genius. we ALL know somebody who is still trying to re-buy their CD collections on vinyl, the same stuff they had before they switched to CD's.....probably even some people here.
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Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:56 am
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I actually think the vinyl renaissance was driven by the customers. There has always been a sizable contingent who preferred vinyl over CD. When CD sales were at their height, the record companies saw that segment as insignificant and dropped vinyl as an option. But once all those CDs were ripped and available to download for free, sales plummeted and the record companies found the vinyl buyers were worth courting again. The companies are nowhere near as brilliant as you make them out to be.
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Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:28 am
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Jason Michael wrote:
I actually think the vinyl renaissance was driven by the customers. There has always been a sizable contingent who preferred vinyl over CD. When CD sales were at their height, the record companies saw that segment as insignificant and dropped vinyl as an option. But once all those CDs were ripped and available to download for free, sales plummeted and the record companies found the vinyl buyers were worth courting again. The companies are nowhere near as brilliant as you make them out to be.
i don't know jason, look at all the products that were tried over the last 30+ years to lure CD buyers into buying their collections for a third or fourth time. the kids, finding 25 cent vinyl in the used stores and goodwills and thrift shops are the ones who lit the fire under the record companies to promote the 'virtues' of vinyl over CD, and this time it kind of stuck. the same album i paid $4 or $5 new when it came out in the 60's and 70's and 80's (well, part of the 80's) they could now get $25+ for, the record companies collective erections could could be heard around the world.
hell, i am so old i remember when the record companies raised the price of vinyl because it was made with oil and the price of oil was going up so the records, naturally, had to go up too.
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Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
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In my opinion, the resurgence of vinyl has been largely driven by some gross misconceptions. There seems to be a lot of people out there who have become convinced that vinyl always sounds better than CDs, so they buy low-end turntables and vinyl records and think they're hearing the music in the best possible way. The truth is, of course, that you need to make substantial hardware investment to get vinyl playback at a even a roughly equal level to what you can get from inexpensive CD players or streaming. Even then, there are so many other factors -- mastering, for one-- that come into play.
That said, there is a lot of demand for vinyl from audiophiles and the like who do know what they're doing and genuinely do like the sound of vinyl better than digital. That's legit.
I bought a new turntable a few years back, and I've enjoyed getting back into my vinyl collection (even though I sold off a lot of it) and buying some new vinyl. But vinyl is a lot of work, and it's expensive.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:08 pm
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Greg Carrier wrote:
In my opinion, the resurgence of vinyl has been largely driven by some gross misconceptions. There seems to be a lot of people out there who have become convinced that vinyl always sounds better than CDs, so they buy low-end turntables and vinyl records and think they're hearing the music in the best possible way. The truth is, of course, that you need to make substantial hardware investment to get vinyl playback at a even a roughly equal level to what you can get from inexpensive CD players or streaming. Even then, there are so many other factors -- mastering, for one-- that come into play.
That said, there is a lot of demand for vinyl from audiophiles and the like who do know what they're doing and genuinely do like the sound of vinyl better than digital. That's legit.
I bought a new turntable a few years back, and I've enjoyed getting back into my vinyl collection (even though I sold off a lot of it) and buying some new vinyl. But vinyl is a lot of work, and it's expensive.
well said.
the kids are listening to 25 cent vinyl on $50 all-in-one record players they bought at FYE.
but i have to say this greg, it seems that 'new' vinyl, form what i have read over the last couple of years, is not manufactured to very strict standards at all. lots of problems with those $25 records like skipping and warping and out of round.
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Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
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Renny wrote:
Greg Carrier wrote:
In my opinion, the resurgence of vinyl has been largely driven by some gross misconceptions. There seems to be a lot of people out there who have become convinced that vinyl always sounds better than CDs, so they buy low-end turntables and vinyl records and think they're hearing the music in the best possible way. The truth is, of course, that you need to make substantial hardware investment to get vinyl playback at a even a roughly equal level to what you can get from inexpensive CD players or streaming. Even then, there are so many other factors -- mastering, for one-- that come into play.
That said, there is a lot of demand for vinyl from audiophiles and the like who do know what they're doing and genuinely do like the sound of vinyl better than digital. That's legit.
I bought a new turntable a few years back, and I've enjoyed getting back into my vinyl collection (even though I sold off a lot of it) and buying some new vinyl. But vinyl is a lot of work, and it's expensive.
well said.
the kids are listening to 25 cent vinyl on $50 all-in-one record players they bought at FYE.
but i have to say this greg, it seems that 'new' vinyl, form what i have read over the last couple of years, is not manufactured to very strict standards at all. lots of problems with those $25 records like skipping and warping and out of round.
It depends, Renny. I've had pretty good luck with new vinyl. Keep in mind, the people who complain about vinyl that skips are often playing it on low-end turntables; it's hard to find a record that will skip on a turntable that tracks well. Overall, I'd say it's better quality than most of the vinyl I bought in the '70s, but I've learned not to buy from questionable sources. The big reissue labels, like Mobile Fidelity, Rhino, Sundazed, etc. are usually pretty good to great. There are others, that I 'twon't mention here, that aren't, and there are definitely some people who are trying to capitalize on the vinyl craze by selling crappy product. And in any case, vinyl is ALWAYS a bit of a crapshoot. I have a MoFi copy of Rod Stewart's Every Picture Tells A Story, on heavyweight vinyl, that sounds like garbage. I have a reissue of a Terry Callier album on vinyl that's worse than garbage. On the other hand, as I mentioned above, my vinyl copy of this new Shelby Lynne album is stunning -- it's a great sounding album on CD, and the vinyl pretty much matches it on my system. It's a beautiful, quiet pressing on clear vinyl, which is kind of cool.
Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
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Coloured vinyl has been a huge boost, people are paying for pretty colours using the mastering in many cases used on CD releases. If the companies were smart they should experiment with coloured CDs as some people have shown that they will buy anything long as it is a different colour than normal.
Now back to Shelby, I look forward to hearing this album.
Post subject: [2020-04-17] Shelby Lynne "Shelby Lynne" (Everso/Thirty Tigers)
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:28 pm
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Greg Carrier wrote:
In my opinion, the resurgence of vinyl has been largely driven by some gross misconceptions. There seems to be a lot of people out there who have become convinced that vinyl always sounds better than CDs, so they buy low-end turntables and vinyl records and think they're hearing the music in the best possible way. The truth is, of course, that you need to make substantial hardware investment to get vinyl playback at a even a roughly equal level to what you can get from inexpensive CD players or streaming. Even then, there are so many other factors -- mastering, for one-- that come into play.
That said, there is a lot of demand for vinyl from audiophiles and the like who do know what they're doing and genuinely do like the sound of vinyl better than digital. That's legit.
I bought a new turntable a few years back, and I've enjoyed getting back into my vinyl collection (even though I sold off a lot of it) and buying some new vinyl. But vinyl is a lot of work, and it's expensive.
While I think it's great that vinyl made a comeback and that some of the kids are really into it (big kids too!), I have no desire to go back to vinyl. I like the CD format and I'm far too invested in it. I have a great turntable, but never use it because I don't have a direct input on my receiver for it. I have tried using it with an amplifier thingy from Radio Shack, but it's not the same. It doesn't sound nearly as good as my direct input receiver from years back and I can hear amplifier hum. No thanks.
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