Post subject: Marvel Comics unleashes a new universe of superheroes
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:40 pm
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Ocean Doot wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Brandon wrote:
You can't really miss Wolverine when there were 11 other versions of Wolverine roaming around.
Or when there's a far better and more entertaining version of him out there in the world. And in the old Claremont, Byrne, Romita, Smith, and Buscema comics.
What do you know about Claremont/Byrne/Romita/Smith/Buscema? You were born in 1980, anus-head.
No, I meant exactly what I originally wrote. That is my opinion, which you are free to disagree with, but, in the future, I would appreciate it if you didn't attempt to mis-represent my words, in order to make them fit with your opinions.
Least informed post in the thread. Epic cluelessness on a grand scale. If this is the way you see things ... you might as well be blind.
Post subject: Marvel Comics unleashes a new universe of superheroes
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:45 am
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Simon wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Okay, now we aren’t going to do it. Ungrateful shits.
Damn! I was looking forward to it!
Never give the fake fans what they say they think they want.
Time to talk briefly about telepathy again. Or, perhaps more correctly, empathy.
For years -- really since the beginning of my career -- I have been annoyed by those fans, retailers, self-proclaimed critics, etc., etc., who profess to be able to read my mind, or indeed anyone's mind. The people who say "Hanzo the Razor doesn't care any more," or "Hanzo the Razor is only in it for the money." I have never been able to determine precisely how these folk came to decide they were gifted with ESP (especially since they so clearly are not), but apparently there was some point in their lives when they assumed themselves to be gifted in this way. Stand back Charles Xavier! You have rivals all around you.
For what it's worth, the mind readers are always wrong. Whether they are talking about me, or anyone else I know in the Biz, their "misses" are 100% and their "hits" are zero. Even statistical odds should give them a better chance than that, but somehow this never happens. Not in any case where I know the actual thinking processes involved, anyway (my own, or those of close friends, for instance).
Recently, a near cousin of this telepathic ability has shown itself in various arenas, and that is the empathy to which I refer above. The folk professing this power do not claim to read minds. Rather, they claim to be able to tell another person's emotions at any given time. As in "You can see Hanzo the Razor was really stoked on this job!" "This is the most enthusiasm I've seen from Hanzo the Razor since (fill in a date)." Oh -- and that date, by the way? Different for everyone. Perhaps the multiple scannings of my emotional output is clouding their perceptions?
Anyway, as with the telepathy, these "scans" are always, always, always wrong. Case in point, the Robin book I did with Stan Lee a while back. When the pencils came into the DC offices there was an almost universal reaction of "Wow! Hanzo the Razor is really turned on by this project! You can see it in the work!" When copies of the pencils circulated into the hands of some quarters of fandom, the reaction was much the same. "I wish Hanzo the Razor would bring this kind of enthusiasm to his other work!"
This reached a kind of fever pitch when the book came out, even to the point of people dissing Terry Austin's inks for "spoiling" my pencils. "Hanzo the Razor was so turned on, but Austin just phoned it in!" "What a shame Austin doesn't care about the work any more! He really trashed the great pencils Hanzo the Razor turned in on that job!"
Well, I can't speak for Terry's thinking as he approached the job (being neither telepathic nor particularly empathic myself), but I can speak for my own, and I can say this: it has been a long, long time since I cared LESS about a job than I did the Robin assignment. I was handed a plot not written with me in mind, and I simply sat down at the drawing board and set about working through the dynamics of the storyline to the best of my ability. No "WoW!! This is gonna be great!" No "I'm so glad I got picked to do this book!" Nope. Just a job. Interesting for the way it exercised certain artistic muscles, but nothing more. Did it mostly for the prestige of working on a Stan Lee book at DC. (The money was not bad, but -- again, contrary to the telepaths in the audience -- I do not do the jobs just for the money.)
Last time I approached a job with this kind of minimal enthusiasm it was a Sunspot story I did for (I think) Marvel Spotlight what must be close to 15 years ago. Did it as a favor to Bob Harras, then X-Men editor, whose young assistant had just sold his first story and, according to Bob, would be "thrilled" if I would illustrate it. So I did. Once again with nothing to draw me to the story or the character other than the chance to work some muscles other than the ones I work every day. Once again, the general reaction to the published work was that it was some of the best I had done since (fill in a date).
So, next time you hear or read some self-proclaimed seer assessing the emotional commitment of a particular talent to a particular work, think about the two examples cited above. Two jobs I did that were praised with great praise, yet for which I had virtually no enthusiasm other than what I normally feel facing any new project. (There is no zero setting on that scale. I would not take a job that scored that low.) Remind the speaker/writer that there really is no way to tell what kind of emotional state any artist is in as s/he works.
Either that, or maybe I should only take jobs about which I care as little as possible.
Post subject: Marvel Comics unleashes a new universe of superheroes
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:05 pm
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Simon wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Okay, now we aren’t going to do it. Ungrateful shits.
Damn! I was looking forward to it!
Never give the fake fans what they say they think they want.
Time to talk briefly about telepathy again. Or, perhaps more correctly, empathy.
For years -- really since the beginning of my career -- I have been annoyed by those fans, retailers, self-proclaimed critics, etc., etc., who profess to be able to read my mind, or indeed anyone's mind. The people who say "Hanzo the Razor doesn't care any more," or "Hanzo the Razor is only in it for the money." I have never been able to determine precisely how these folk came to decide they were gifted with ESP (especially since they so clearly are not), but apparently there was some point in their lives when they assumed themselves to be gifted in this way. Stand back Charles Xavier! You have rivals all around you.
For what it's worth, the mind readers are always wrong. Whether they are talking about me, or anyone else I know in the Biz, their "misses" are 100% and their "hits" are zero. Even statistical odds should give them a better chance than that, but somehow this never happens. Not in any case where I know the actual thinking processes involved, anyway (my own, or those of close friends, for instance).
Recently, a near cousin of this telepathic ability has shown itself in various arenas, and that is the empathy to which I refer above. The folk professing this power do not claim to read minds. Rather, they claim to be able to tell another person's emotions at any given time. As in "You can see Hanzo the Razor was really stoked on this job!" "This is the most enthusiasm I've seen from Hanzo the Razor since (fill in a date)." Oh -- and that date, by the way? Different for everyone. Perhaps the multiple scannings of my emotional output is clouding their perceptions?
Anyway, as with the telepathy, these "scans" are always, always, always wrong. Case in point, the Robin book I did with Stan Lee a while back. When the pencils came into the DC offices there was an almost universal reaction of "Wow! Hanzo the Razor is really turned on by this project! You can see it in the work!" When copies of the pencils circulated into the hands of some quarters of fandom, the reaction was much the same. "I wish Hanzo the Razor would bring this kind of enthusiasm to his other work!"
This reached a kind of fever pitch when the book came out, even to the point of people dissing Terry Austin's inks for "spoiling" my pencils. "Hanzo the Razor was so turned on, but Austin just phoned it in!" "What a shame Austin doesn't care about the work any more! He really trashed the great pencils Hanzo the Razor turned in on that job!"
Well, I can't speak for Terry's thinking as he approached the job (being neither telepathic nor particularly empathic myself), but I can speak for my own, and I can say this: it has been a long, long time since I cared LESS about a job than I did the Robin assignment. I was handed a plot not written with me in mind, and I simply sat down at the drawing board and set about working through the dynamics of the storyline to the best of my ability. No "WoW!! This is gonna be great!" No "I'm so glad I got picked to do this book!" Nope. Just a job. Interesting for the way it exercised certain artistic muscles, but nothing more. Did it mostly for the prestige of working on a Stan Lee book at DC. (The money was not bad, but -- again, contrary to the telepaths in the audience -- I do not do the jobs just for the money.)
Last time I approached a job with this kind of minimal enthusiasm it was a Sunspot story I did for (I think) Marvel Spotlight what must be close to 15 years ago. Did it as a favor to Bob Harras, then X-Men editor, whose young assistant had just sold his first story and, according to Bob, would be "thrilled" if I would illustrate it. So I did. Once again with nothing to draw me to the story or the character other than the chance to work some muscles other than the ones I work every day. Once again, the general reaction to the published work was that it was some of the best I had done since (fill in a date).
So, next time you hear or read some self-proclaimed seer assessing the emotional commitment of a particular talent to a particular work, think about the two examples cited above. Two jobs I did that were praised with great praise, yet for which I had virtually no enthusiasm other than what I normally feel facing any new project. (There is no zero setting on that scale. I would not take a job that scored that low.) Remind the speaker/writer that there really is no way to tell what kind of emotional state any artist is in as s/he works.
Either that, or maybe I should only take jobs about which I care as little as possible.
Whaddaya think?
I like how even though it's completely tangential, he spends a whole paragraph talking about how the fans all hated Terry Austin's inks for the Robin book.
Also when he talks about how he would never take a job that didn't excite him at all, even though his whole essay is made up of lengthy disserations about two jobs that didn't excite him at all.
Post subject: Marvel Comics unleashes a new universe of superheroes
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:34 am
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Marvel Sets the Date For 'X-Men Wedding Special'
This May, two beloved members of the X-Men are about to tie the knot, and Marvel Entertainment is pulling out the stops to make it an affair to remember — including bringing a beloved member of the creative family back for the occasion.
Spinning out of the ongoing X-Men: Gold series, this May’s one-off X-Men Wedding Special will feature Gold writer Marc Guggenheim team with fan-favorite scribe Kelly Thompson to tell the story of what happens when Kitty Pryde finally ties the knot with longterm love interest Colossus.
"X-Men weddings are always a big deal, if only because they're so rare,” Thompson said in a statement. “I think you probably have to go all the way back to X-Men No. 30 in 1994 — the wedding of Jean Grey and Cyclops — to get a wedding as potentially big as the wedding of Kitty Pryde and Colossus: Two X-Men who've been around (and on again/off again) for literal decades.”
Making the issue particularly special is the return of Chris Claremont, who co-created Kitty Pryde back in 1980’s Uncanny X-Men No. 129 with artist John Byrne. He’ll write an additional story focusing on the character. Art for the special will come from Greg Land, Marika Cresta and others, according to the publisher.
As for the wedding itself, Thompson is correct in saying that the X-Men doesn’t get the chance to celebrate many nuptials, but that doesn’t mean they don’t happen — the most recent example being in 2012, when Northstar married his boyfriend in Astonishing X-Men No. 51, the first gay wedding in a Marvel comic book. (DC had broken that barrier a decade earlier, in The Authority No. 29.)
The X-Men Wedding Special will be available digitally and in comic book stores May 16.
Post subject: Marvel Comics unleashes a new universe of superheroes
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:24 pm
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Simon wrote:
Ocean Doot wrote:
I think most comic-book fans agree: We read them for the weddings.
They really need to have Beverly Switzler and Howard the Duck get married soon...they've been shacked up since 1974. It's long past time.
If they can tie it into the X-Men, and somehow shoehorn Howard into being a 'mutant', even better!
"Howard… you need to wear pants to the wedding!" "Why? I'm a duck. And besides, Disney owns me now." "What are you talking about?" "Oh, sorry. For a moment my mind wandered into the Nexus of the universe."
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