Post subject: [2017-05-05] The Creation "Creation Theory" 4CD/1DVD sets including Amazon exclusive edition (Edsel UK)
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:40 pm
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We don't yet have details on how it differs from the standard release, but the Amazon UK Exclusive Edition is currently the exact same price, so it's worth locking in a pre-order early:
This new collection from Demon seems to be a bigger, better, more extensive version of the 2CD Creation compilation which is due out soon from Numero in the USA:
Post subject: [2017-05-05] The Creation "Creation Theory" 4CD/1DVD sets including Amazon exclusive edition (Edsel UK)
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:31 pm
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Bump to add the cover image to the first post. Both editions have now been reduced by about £8, down to £41.08, so lock in the Amazon exclusive version before all 500 copies have been taken:
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The Creation were one of the most important bands of the 60s, so I'm in for this.
There are still a few odds and ends missing, though - a couple of alternate mixes from the Retroactive CDs and the majority of the 'Lay The Ghost' CD, so if you have those hold onto them!
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:38 am
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Well, the listing page for the Amazon exclusive edition has gone dormant, now. Have all 500 copies already been pre-ordered?
The Standard Edition of the box is still pre-orderable, of course, and we have confirmation that the included DVD will be "NTSC/Region 0", playable on North American systems:
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 10:40 pm
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Mine just shipped on Thursday, it will take a little more time to reach America. Hopefully the Old Man will get his copy soon and post a review for us.
Post subject: [2017-05-05] The Creation "Creation Theory" 4CD/1DVD sets including Amazon exclusive edition (Edsel UK)
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Well I couldn't wait until today to dip in so I ran through the New stereo mixes last night... what I can say is that if you've got the Retroactive CDs, then you should definitely hang on to them for the stereo mixes they contain. Here, much in the same way that some of the newly-mastered stereo tracks on the My Generation box are missing a few overdubs, some of Eddie Phillips' guitar lines are missing from these [most noticeably on Painter Man which is missing a lot of the bowed guitar and sounds very different for it] which leads one to assume that as with My Generation some elements were overdubbed live onto the original tracks live in 1966/7/8 so they just aren't there on the masters. Maybe it's a Shel Talmy thing or just the limits of recording tech at the time. Unfortunately although there are copious liner notes on the band's history in the book, there's very little technical or recording information [which is the most disappointing aspect of the whole box for me] so it's just speculation on my part. Odd though that it's not been mentioned anywhere and we should be left to discover it for ourselves.
I'd stress this only affects about half a dozen tracks though, and otherwise they sound superb. Some, like Through My Eyes are also allowed to run on to their exciting conclusion, which is nice. Personally I'm not too upset by the discrepancies because it makes them sound like works-in-progress more than anything, but for those of you who might be upset, forewarned is forearmed. And let's not forget that the original mono versions we know and love are present on the first disc. Listening now these too sound better than I've ever heard them before.
EDIT: Having said all that, there's a weird little passage in I Am The Walker that's jarringly different, and I can't work out if it's a mastering error or a musical mistake in the original that was ironed out in the mixes released later. Needs an intensive listening session to work that one out.
As the first two CDs are the meat of this box, that's as far as I've got for now.
Oh, yes. From a design standpoint, I'm not thrilled with the CD holders. The CDs are very firmly held in place by the bottom edge by tiny struts in the holder rather than spindles in the middle. You have to push the CD in at the bottom and then lift, and they're a total pain to release. I can see the CDs are going to end up in separate holders rather than risk snapping them by trying to remove them from these things.
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Post subject: [2017-05-05] The Creation "Creation Theory" 4CD/1DVD sets including Amazon exclusive edition (Edsel UK)
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Old Man Of Oy wrote:
Well I couldn't wait until today to dip in so I ran through the New stereo mixes last night... what I can say is that if you've got the Retroactive CDs, then you should definitely hang on to them for the stereo mixes they contain. Here, much in the same way that some of the newly-mastered stereo tracks on the My Generation box are missing a few overdubs, some of Eddie Phillips' guitar lines are missing from these [most noticeably on Painter Man which is missing a lot of the bowed guitar and sounds very different for it] which leads one to assume that as with My Generation some elements were overdubbed live onto the original tracks live in 1966/7/8 so they just aren't there on the masters. Maybe it's a Shel Talmy thing or just the limits of recording tech at the time. Unfortunately although there are copious liner notes on the band's history in the book, there's very little technical or recording information [which is the most disappointing aspect of the whole box for me] so it's just speculation on my part. Odd though that it's not been mentioned anywhere and we should be left to discover it for ourselves.
Yes, these new stereo mixes are fun, but don't give up the 1998 Retroactive CDs. The loss of the lead guitar on "Painter Man" is the worst of it, for me. It's the song's most stunning feature and leaves a huge hole without it. The widely available earlier stereo mix (available on the Retroactive CD as well as Rhino's History of the British Invasion) is preferable to this new one.
But yes, it's also fun to hear a few of these mixes run out, as well as the backing tracks at the end of the disc.
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