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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:48 pm |
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As I mentioned in the thread I started in February asking for assistance in figuring out storage for my CD/LP collections ( viewtopic.php?f=18&t=96256 ), I moved from New York to North Carolina last year and my music collection has been in limbo ever since. My wife & I finally bought a house and we moved in a few weeks ago. Now we're working with an architect and builder on a major renovation that will include a media room. After years of having a "decent" space with "average" equipment, I'd like to create a really nice space with very good audio/video equipment...without completely breaking the bank. Earlier today I spoke with an A/V specialist recommended by our architect, and based on my requirements and the size of the room (a little over 300 square feet), he estimates it will cost as much as $25,000. That includes mid-range equipment and his fees for setting everything up. That number is WAY too high for me, especially when I consider the likely cost of cabinetry & shelving for my collection. Do any of my fellow IMWANers have advice on how I can find a qualified person to set up an A/V system and advise me about various components & set-ups, as well as working with the builder to wire the room properly while it's being constructed? I need something better than Best Buy but not as high-end as the guy I spoke with.Or if anyone has a winning lottery ticket they want to get rid of... Thanks.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:14 am |
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Think Oppo for blu ray/cd/SACD/ DVD/DVD-A. The 105 is around 1 k.
Search Audiogon for a used quality amp & preamp
or do you have a used hi-end store in the neighborhood?
Same with speakers & cable (cables really do matter).
I am very pleased with My $500 ish Vizio 55" TV
A power conditioner & if it's in your budget a dedicated electrical circuit are helpful.
For bang for the buck, I tend to recommend used for anything without moving parts. Turntables & Cartridges & disc players should be new in most cases.
i generally suggest staying away from mass market well known brands (there are exceptions, but not many)
another decision is at any given price point, 2.0 will sound better then 5.1. Since you state you are on a budget (Curious what the budget is), you will likely have to decide which is more important to you: good 5.1 or,excellent 2.0.
Also, if you don't require a lot of bass from your main 2 speakers, you can get amazing sounding bookshelf speakers for 1k-3K. Check out 2 British brands B&W (there full size speakers are excellent also) & Epos.
& the bottom line is what sounds good to YOU?
if you'd like more specific help, feel free to reach out.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:31 pm |
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Thanks for the feedback, Geff. I don't have any high-end A/V stores here. The closest I came was Magnolia Home Theater inside Best Buy. I actually spoke with a young guy who was very knowledgeable. I have a good BS detector so I'm confident he pointed me in the right direction for the type of equipment I need.
Right now I'm leaning in the direction of a Marantz or Yamaha receiver, Bowers & Wilkins speakers (towers for the front, matching bookshelf for the rear and matching center channel), an Oppo player (but probably not the $1K version, which is more than I'm comfortable spending) and a 55" or 65" TV. Apparently I can get a decent 4K model for just over $1K, and that might come down depending on when I order it. I also have to choose a good subwoofer, but I'm not sure if particular brands are better than others.
I will still use my existing turntable (Audio Technica), my old dual cassette player (Panasonic, I think) and (believe it or not) my ancient JVC VCR.
I agree that great stereo sound is the key to the system, but I also need to make sure that the surround sound speakers work well with the front speakers, since each speaker is equally important in 5.1 music.
I know that I need to use good speaker wire but I'm fine with other cables in standard grade (like HDMI).
Right now the estimated cost for this system is around $6,000-$7,000, but I hope with some sales, coupons &/or internet bargains I can reduce that significantly. I don't trust Geek Squad but apparently Magnolia/Best Buy offers wiring & system set-up for a very reasonable price. I can handle most things myself but I can probably use some help getting things wired & calibrated properly. I'm still many months away from needing to make any purchases but I do need to let the builder know where each thing will be in the room. The only thing I can't figure out is the rear speakers, but I'll figure something out.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:39 pm |
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Magnolia used to be a high end chain before BB bought them; they started in Seattle. They are better then nothing, though I've found the small indie stores to usually be better. The only suggestion from Magnolia I'd disagree with is Marantz/Yamaha. IMO, Marantz is really over rated & Yamaha is mid-fi. & neither will come close to letting the B&W's shine. If you can afford one, the only 5.1's on there site that are any good at all seem to be some Rotel's: https://www.magnoliaav.com/shop/audio/a ... rs/?page=9https://www.magnoliaav.com/shop/audio/a ... s/?page=10Buying online is also an option; Audiogon has some good deals. I bought my McCormack DNA-1 power amp there several years ago. Too bad you can't justify the higher priced Oppo; I've never heard the 10x series, but I can say in the 9.x series, the 95 had a much better sounding audio stage (in fact that was the main difference between the 2). Did you get the chance to hear both Oppo's in the store? In the days of dvd only players, the cheaper Oppo's were bright sounding. Again, I haven't heard the 10.x series, so can't really comment. My understanding is there are now 3 price points, & that the highest is only a video upgrade. The 105 (unless it's been replaced with a new generation) is the equivalent to my 95. I would have been thrilled getting a cd player that sounded that good for $1k; & the 95 also has a stunning picture. B&W's are great speakers. I briefly owned a pair of 804's; I had to sell them years ago to pay for major surgery for my cat.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:46 pm |
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Since I'm not likely to buy a used receiver and I don't have any high-end A/V stores nearby, what reasonably-priced brand(s) of receivers would you recommend. I'm fine with mid-fi even if it doesn't allow the B&W speakers to perform at their best. It will still be better than anything I've owned since college and should be adequate for my ears & listening habits.
I will keep your notes in mind regarding Oppo. I didn't get to hear any of the players in action. I'm sure whichever model I choose will be an upgrade over any of my recent components.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:55 pm |
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I'd suggest the Marantz or Pioneer over the Yamaha. Are any of the Rotel's in your price range? An $800 Rotel is likely going to sound better then a $2k Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer, Sony, etc
BTW, on the Oppo: when I bought mine at Magnolia, the sales rep didn't know that to hear the SACD layer on SACD's, you have to go into the setup menu & set that option. The 95 defaulted to playing the cd layer on hybrids. If you compare them, I'd strongly suggest that they are both set up for SACD. It just takes a second.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:57 pm |
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You can get a nice 60" HDTV with 4K even at Target's or Costco's these days for under $1K so that has gotten easier. I agree OPPO is the way to go because it plays everything though I'm not sure if they have a 4K player yet. You could just go with a PS4 or XBOX 1 for now.
Can't go wrong with B&O speakers and Marantz or Yamaha recievers.
Rear speakers aren't as important as the fronts/center and sub, you can use smaller different brand speakers there.
I also recommend going with a 5.1 system instead of going with a 7.1. You don't really get much in the rears with multiple speakers. 2 speakers just behind you on the sides works fantastically.
A real good subwoofer is essential for a movie home system. Velodyne and SVS are the best.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:17 pm |
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Geff R. wrote: I'd suggest the Marantz or Pioneer over the Yamaha. Are any of the Rotel's in your price range? An $800 Rotel is likely going to sound better then a $2k Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer, Sony, etc
BTW, on the Oppo: when I bought mine at Magnolia, the sales rep didn't know that to hear the SACD layer on SACD's, you have to go into the setup menu & set that option. The 95 defaulted to playing the cd layer on hybrids. If you compare them, I'd strongly suggest that they are both set up for SACD. It just takes a second. Never heard of Rotel but will definitely look into that. Since the receivers I've been looking at are in the $800 range that's a possibility. I don't own any SACD's (yet) so that setting on the Oppo isn't terribly important to me.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:24 pm |
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JohnG wrote: You can get a nice 60" HDTV with 4K even at Target's or Costco's these days for under $1K so that has gotten easier. I agree OPPO is the way to go because it plays everything though I'm not sure if they have a 4K player yet. You could just go with a PS4 or XBOX 1 for now.
Can't go wrong with B&O speakers and Marantz or Yamaha recievers.
Rear speakers aren't as important as the fronts/center and sub, you can use smaller different brand speakers there.
I also recommend going with a 5.1 system instead of going with a 7.1. You don't really get much in the rears with multiple speakers. 2 speakers just behind you on the sides works fantastically.
A real good subwoofer is essential for a movie home system. Velodyne and SVS are the best. I'm not that concerned about 4K content. I don't watch as many movies as I used to, and my tastes veer away from the big-budget special effects movies that would benefit for a pristine picture. I will be perfectly happy with 1080P equivalent, and if I ever end up with 4K content (via cable, Netflix, bluray, etc) I'll have a capable TV. But I don't need to wait for the Oppo 4K player which is apparently due next year. My old surround sound set-up was a matching set of Sony speakers & subwoofer that worked very well for my small listening space in the old house. My new media room will be around 300sf, and the viewing/listening area will be larger than what I had. I get the feeling I could use good rear speakers that can deliver excellent sound in 5.1 so the front speakers aren't dominant in the mix. As for 5.1 vs, 7.1, I agree that 5.1 is all I need, although a lot of the receivers I'm looking at are built for at least 7.1. It's always good to have the capacity to grow, even though it's unlikely I'll change the set-up once it's in place.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:19 am |
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richman666 wrote: Geff R. wrote: I'd suggest the Marantz or Pioneer over the Yamaha. Are any of the Rotel's in your price range? An $800 Rotel is likely going to sound better then a $2k Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer, Sony, etc
BTW, on the Oppo: when I bought mine at Magnolia, the sales rep didn't know that to hear the SACD layer on SACD's, you have to go into the setup menu & set that option. The 95 defaulted to playing the cd layer on hybrids. If you compare them, I'd strongly suggest that they are both set up for SACD. It just takes a second. Never heard of Rotel but will definitely look into that. Since the receivers I've been looking at are in the $800 range that's a possibility. I don't own any SACD's (yet) so that setting on the Oppo isn't terribly important to me. The reason I suggested Rotel is because Magnolia carries it. (see the links). A 2nd look does appear that only their 2.0 is affordable' but since Magnolia is your only option it's still worth looking at. In my experience the Oppo really needs Hi-res (SACD, blu-ray- DVD-a, or hires downloads) to really show it's stuff; it's an OK cd player, & an amazing hi-res player.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:59 am |
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Geff R. wrote: richman666 wrote: Geff R. wrote: I'd suggest the Marantz or Pioneer over the Yamaha. Are any of the Rotel's in your price range? An $800 Rotel is likely going to sound better then a $2k Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer, Sony, etc
BTW, on the Oppo: when I bought mine at Magnolia, the sales rep didn't know that to hear the SACD layer on SACD's, you have to go into the setup menu & set that option. The 95 defaulted to playing the cd layer on hybrids. If you compare them, I'd strongly suggest that they are both set up for SACD. It just takes a second. Never heard of Rotel but will definitely look into that. Since the receivers I've been looking at are in the $800 range that's a possibility. I don't own any SACD's (yet) so that setting on the Oppo isn't terribly important to me. The reason I suggested Rotel is because Magnolia carries it. (see the links). A 2nd look does appear that only their 2.0 is affordable' but since Magnolia is your only option it's still worth looking at. In my experience the Oppo really needs Hi-res (SACD, blu-ray- DVD-a, or hires downloads) to really show it's stuff; it's an OK cd player, & an amazing hi-res player. I have a number of DVDs & blu-rays so hopefully I would get my money's worth out of an Oppo player, even though the bulk of my listening at home is LPs & CDs. I don't think I'll ever care about high-res downloads. With this in mind, is there an alternative multi-disc player I should look into that would save me some money, or is Oppo significantly better than anything else out there?
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:38 pm |
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Rich, here's just one more plug for the Oppo. I've had the BDP-105D for just about a year & I'm still loving it. I have gotten the hi-res bug, so I especially appreciate SACD/DVD-A, and the USB input capabilities, but to me CD's all have much better sound/soundstage than what I replaced, which was an old, but high-end Denon CD player. Good luck!
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:47 pm |
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CO kid wrote: Rich, here's just one more plug for the Oppo. I've had the BDP-105D for just about a year & I'm still loving it. I have gotten the hi-res bug, so I especially appreciate SACD/DVD-A, and the USB input capabilities, but to me CD's all have much better sound/soundstage than what I replaced, which was an old, but high-end Denon CD player. Good luck! Thanks for the feedback. I play a lot of DVD-A's and blu-ray audios so it's good to know the Oppo is a good choice for that, but it's even better to know that CDs sound better since that will be my most frequently-played 5" disc (split evenly with vinyl). When my last CD player (an excellent 6+1 unit from JVC, I believe) died I just used my Panasonic DVD player for CDs and upgraded my video set-up to blu-ray. It will be great to have one unit that plays everything in my new set-up.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:17 pm |
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CO kid wrote: Rich, here's just one more plug for the Oppo. I've had the BDP-105D for just about a year & I'm still loving it. I have gotten the hi-res bug, so I especially appreciate SACD/DVD-A, and the USB input capabilities, but to me CD's all have much better sound/soundstage than what I replaced, which was an old, but high-end Denon CD player. Good luck! +1  Like the CO Kid I have the same player and ALL of your discs will sound so much better. Best player by far that I have ever owned. Rick A.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:37 pm |
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Rick A wrote: CO kid wrote: Rich, here's just one more plug for the Oppo. I've had the BDP-105D for just about a year & I'm still loving it. I have gotten the hi-res bug, so I especially appreciate SACD/DVD-A, and the USB input capabilities, but to me CD's all have much better sound/soundstage than what I replaced, which was an old, but high-end Denon CD player. Good luck! +1  Like the CO Kid I have the same player and ALL of your discs will sound so much better. Best player by far that I have ever owned. Rick A. Looks like that model is no longer available although I'm sure I could find it through third-party sellers. It seems like it was priced way above what I want to spend at more than $1,000. How are the Oppo players in the $800 range? Keep in mind that I will never care about 3D video or high-res downloads. I just want the best picture & sound I can get from my CDs, DVDs & blurays...at a reasonable price.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:53 pm |
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richman666 wrote: Geff R. wrote: richman666 wrote: Geff R. wrote: I'd suggest the Marantz or Pioneer over the Yamaha. Are any of the Rotel's in your price range? An $800 Rotel is likely going to sound better then a $2k Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer, Sony, etc
BTW, on the Oppo: when I bought mine at Magnolia, the sales rep didn't know that to hear the SACD layer on SACD's, you have to go into the setup menu & set that option. The 95 defaulted to playing the cd layer on hybrids. If you compare them, I'd strongly suggest that they are both set up for SACD. It just takes a second. Never heard of Rotel but will definitely look into that. Since the receivers I've been looking at are in the $800 range that's a possibility. I don't own any SACD's (yet) so that setting on the Oppo isn't terribly important to me. The reason I suggested Rotel is because Magnolia carries it. (see the links). A 2nd look does appear that only their 2.0 is affordable' but since Magnolia is your only option it's still worth looking at. In my experience the Oppo really needs Hi-res (SACD, blu-ray- DVD-a, or hires downloads) to really show it's stuff; it's an OK cd player, & an amazing hi-res player. I have a number of DVDs & blu-rays so hopefully I would get my money's worth out of an Oppo player, even though the bulk of my listening at home is LPs & CDs. I don't think I'll ever care about high-res downloads. With this in mind, is there an alternative multi-disc player I should look into that would save me some money, or is Oppo significantly better than anything else out there? AFAIK, The .05 Oppo kills the sound of any other high res players for the price. I can't personally comment on the x.03's; I haven't heard them; I've read they're not as good, & the old Oppo dvd players were screechy.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:59 pm |
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Rich, I just checked the Oppo site after reading your post. It looks like they discontinued the "2k" standard 105 & are only offering the $1200 105 "4k" (WHY??........ sigh) & the 103 in both versions. Originally the .5's benefit over the .3 was just audio. It may be too late; my recommendation is to call both Magnolia & Oppo & see if there's anyway to still get the original "2k" $1000 Standard 105. You might even get a clearance price!
Unless you have 25 y.o. eyes, I don't see the point of us 50 year olds buying 4k video....... I'd never see the difference. It's just another way for the movie companies to get us to "upgrade" AGAIN.
BTW, try a download or 2 (Both HD Tracs & Blue Coast give out full length free samples) on a Flash drive & you may find your opinion changing. They sound SO MUCH BETTER then cd!
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:00 am |
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Geff, I don't doubt that high-res downloads sound better than CDs but...I guess I just don't care. Even though I have very good ears (at least according to several mastering engineers I've worked with) I'm content with "excellent" sound even if it's not the best possible sound.
As for TVs, it seems like 4K is the new standard and many sets are reasonably priced so I'll choose a good one and I'm sure it will be fine. I certainly don't need a 4K blu-ray player, unless it's the same price as a standard model.
Thanks for the additional info on Oppo. I won't be purchasing my new system until at least Spring of 2017 so I'll see what's available at that time.
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You guys all have much nicer A/V gear than me! I have a Yamaha receiver (RX-V579) that works great for my needs. The speakers I installed when I moved into the house (15 years ago!) are Monitor Audio Bronze for the 4 surround and 1 center, plus a Velodyne CT-100 subwoofer. They sound just as good today as when I first got them. This is a mid priced setup that I think has given me great bang for the buck over the years. One of these days I will probably replace but it still sounds great today so I'm happy.
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Post subject: I Need Advice For Setting Up An Audio/Video System Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:13 pm |
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Mike M wrote: You guys all have much nicer A/V gear than me! I have a Yamaha receiver (RX-V579) that works great for my needs. The speakers I installed when I moved into the house (15 years ago!) are Monitor Audio Bronze for the 4 surround and 1 center, plus a Velodyne CT-100 subwoofer. They sound just as good today as when I first got them. This is a mid priced setup that I think has given me great bang for the buck over the years. One of these days I will probably replace but it still sounds great today so I'm happy. Your system sounds like a slight upgrade (mostly the speakers) over what I had been using for the previous 10-15 years. When I moved last year the stereo went into hibernation (i.e. a storage box) and I've been without an A/V system for more than a year. Once the renovations are complete and I have my new media room, I want to upgrade most of what I had to adequately fill the room with sound. I also want bang for my buck but I'm willing to spend a few more bucks than I did in the past since this will likely be my last A/V system (and the one I use until they cart me off to the old age home). In the end, as long as we're happy with our A/V set-ups, that's all that matters. Glad that's the case with you, Mike.
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Just want to add some love for Onkyo components, which I swear by. They're a excellent balance of quality and price, and fantastic for surround (which is more important to me than the hypothetical audiophile perfection ... I play most of my stereo CDs in Dolby PLII 5.1).
You will want 4K eventually, and 8K after that. I've seen 4K at Walmart, of all places, and could tell the difference even with my poor eyesight.
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Linda wrote: Just want to add some love for Onkyo components, which I swear by. They're a excellent balance of quality and price, and fantastic for surround (which is more important to me than the hypothetical audiophile perfection ... I play most of my stereo CDs in Dolby PLII 5.1).
You will want 4K eventually, and 8K after that. I've seen 4K at Walmart, of all places, and could tell the difference even with my poor eyesight. Thanks, Linda. I had an Onkyo turntable for nearly 30 years. That was my only experience with that brand but clearly I was happy with them. I'll look into their receivers. I will definitely get a 4K TV since they're reasonably priced now but it will probably be quite some time before I enjoy any content in that format.
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