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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:56 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
It would be cool if I did a big group shot of all the 70s post-apocalyptic heroes -- Kamandi, OMAC, Thundarr, Deathlok, Killraven, Mighty Samson, Hercules Unbound, Judge Dredd, Axa...


I endorse this idea.


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:23 am 
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As Killraven talk pops up, I once again remind you of Apeslayer, the British Marvel oddity you guys never experienced...

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To solve the problem of trying to have enough material to reprint strips in a weekly comic from the simultaneous American monthly magazines, Marvel UK continued the title by running the Marvel strip Killraven from the American "Amazing Adventures" comic, but stuck ape heads on all his opponents so he was fighting apes instead of Martians! Killraven's name also changed - to Apeslayer. The early strips had been written by Gerry Conway (initially with Roy Thomas), with pencils by Neal Adams and then Howard Chaykin, and inking by Frank Monte and then Frank McLaughlin. Later strips were written by Marv Wolfman and later Don McGregor, with pencils by Herb Trimpe, and inking by Frank Giacoia followed by Yolande Pijcke. The experiment was short-lived however, and the UK fans, judging by the letters pages, were less than impressed with the hastily-put-together story of bionic apes from Mars, albeit a comic that no other Apes fans were offered.


http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/P ... _Apeslayer


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:44 am 
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Outside of the context of PotA, the name Apeslayer is hilarious. He sounds like a real asshole. :lol:


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:20 am 
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....bionic apes from Mars are nothing to complain about in comic book terms.

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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:13 pm 
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Simon wrote:
....bionic apes from Mars are nothing to complain about in comic book terms.


You had to see them though, Si. Remember, as I was reading them I knew nothing of the origin of the story. It was obvious that the stories had been altered - the pasted on words and images stood out like a sore thumb - but without any reference it was just baffling.

It doesn't help that Killraven's original story is such a bloody mess in the first place! :lol:


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:50 am 
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Having looked up Apeslayer....I now see what you mean, mate. :lmao:

This page has some 'great' examples of the cut-and-paste artwork, contrasting it with the original pages.

http://bronzeageofblogs.blogspot.com.au ... layer.html

There's also an official Marvel listing of Apeslayer!

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jonathan_Dozer_(Earth-7481)

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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:39 am 
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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:42 am 
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Simon wrote:
There's also an official Marvel listing of Apeslayer!

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jonathan_Dozer_(Earth-7481)

Is the Marvel Wikia official? I always assumed it was fan-made.


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:48 am 
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Here's an even more in-depth analysis of Killraven versus Apeslayer from a blog appropriately titled "Sometimes Comics Are Just Crap" --

http://sometimescomicsarejustcrap.blogs ... layer.html


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:40 am 
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I think this art looks fun. I wonder if it was any good.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:40 am 
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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:24 pm 
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Yeah, it is fan made (my bad).....but it seems Apeslayer has an online presence, so he'll never really be totally forgotten.

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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:36 pm 
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The blog Hanzo linked to wrote:
This might have defeated lesser men, but the editorial staff of Planet of the Apes were not lesser men. Not for them the barren wasteland of despair. Instead they had an idea worthy of Peter Griffin himself. They simply got Amazing Adventures' War of the Worlds stories and redrew the Martians to look like apes.


This is comic book criticism at its very finest. :ohyes:

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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:33 pm 
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They also did that with Star Wars comics or something, right? I wonder how many other comics were converted into PotA books.


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:12 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Here's an even more in-depth analysis of Killraven versus Apeslayer from a blog appropriately titled "Sometimes Comics Are Just Crap" --

http://sometimescomicsarejustcrap.blogs ... layer.html


Sometimes blogs are just crap.


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:32 pm 
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Evans wrote:
As Killraven talk pops up, I once again remind you of Apeslayer, the British Marvel oddity you guys never experienced...

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To solve the problem of trying to have enough material to reprint strips in a weekly comic from the simultaneous American monthly magazines, Marvel UK continued the title by running the Marvel strip Killraven from the American "Amazing Adventures" comic, but stuck ape heads on all his opponents so he was fighting apes instead of Martians! Killraven's name also changed - to Apeslayer. The early strips had been written by Gerry Conway (initially with Roy Thomas), with pencils by Neal Adams and then Howard Chaykin, and inking by Frank Monte and then Frank McLaughlin. Later strips were written by Marv Wolfman and later Don McGregor, with pencils by Herb Trimpe, and inking by Frank Giacoia followed by Yolande Pijcke. The experiment was short-lived however, and the UK fans, judging by the letters pages, were less than impressed with the hastily-put-together story of bionic apes from Mars, albeit a comic that no other Apes fans were offered.


http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/P ... _Apeslayer


Not being a sword-and-sorcery fan, I don't check this thread often. But this makes me glad I did! Y'all are always coming up with fascinating little oddities like this.

That is some egregious repurposing there. Oh well, waste not, want not.

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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:47 pm 
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It is even odder, since the other Marvel stories had the same issue - weekly stories catching up with monthlies - but what they did was provide only seven pages a week of each story and give us more stories per magazine. So Mighty World Of Marvel had Hulk, FF and Daredevil (when Spidey got his own mag) but not complete stories (at least after the first couple of years) So why they couldn't just do that with the Planet of the Apes comic - with other Marvel stories with a vaguely limited theme as back up - even Killraven itself - I don't know


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:57 am 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
They also did that with Star Wars comics or something, right? I wonder how many other comics were converted into PotA books.


I didn't know this....but I hope it's true. Darth Vader as an ape would be hilarious.

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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:04 am 
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It's driving me nuts. I can't find it on Google but I know some other comic was redrawn to be a PotA book.


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 Post subject: Classic Sword & Sorcery
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:10 pm 
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I don't think that happened here


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