Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:56 am
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I wonder WHY one of the two things was that the transporters would blow out. I can understand the Klingons returning to trash rescue efforts, but he made it sound like the transporters were either sabotaged, or just poorly designed to handle that load, for such regularity of failure.
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Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:19 pm
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KIRK:I agree there was a time when war was necessary, and you were our greatest warrior. I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact it's still required reading at the Academy. GARTH:As well it should be. KIRK:Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new fledged cadet on a peace mission. GARTH:Peace mission! Politicians and weaklings! KIRK:They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream. A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers.
Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:40 pm
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Archanis IV was the inhabited fourth planet orbiting Archanis. This system, located near to the Federation-Klingon border, was in the Archanis sector. (TOS: "Day of the Dove"; DS9: "Broken Link")
In the late 2260s, a Federation research outpost on this planet was attacked by unidentified raiders. A hundred civilians were killed in the raid. This was one of several incidents that had taken place since a truce was declared between the two galactic powers. Although there was no proof of Klingon involvment in these incidents, some in the Federation believed them responsible. The Klingons claimed that they had observed the treaty to the letter for three years and that they were not responsible for the raids.
In 2268, while under the influence of the Beta XII-A entity, Pavel Chekov believed he had a brother, Piotr Chekov, who had been killed by the Klingons at the research outpost on Archanis IV. (TOS: "Day of the Dove")
In 2272, the Klingons relinquished their claim on this planet to the Federation. (DS9: "Broken Link") The Star Trek Chronology suggests this was more likely a concession made at the Khitomer Conference in 2293.
Prior to the beginning of the Federation-Klingon War, Gowron sent a message to the Federation Council, telling them to abandon all starbases and military installations in the sector. During the war, the planet was raided by a Klingon force. As a condition of ending the war, Chancellor Gowron stated that the Federation must allow the Klingon Empire to annex Archanis and other worlds captured by Klingons. Captain Benjamin Sisko told the Klingon leader that he couldn't count on that condition being meet. (DS9: "Broken Link", "Apocalypse Rising", "Nor the Battle to the Strong")
In 2151, Humans made first contact with the Axanar via Enterprise NX-01, when an unnamed species had attacked one of their freighters. Enterprise sent an away team over to investigate, and found the mutilated corpses of the crew. When the Axanar returned, responding to a distress signal set by the Enterprise crew, a translator malfunction led them to believe that Enterprise itself was responsible. Shortly afterwards, however, Hoshi Sato, having translated the Axanar language, was able to convey to the Axanar that the true attackers were the ones attacking Enterprise, to which the Axanar offered assistance. (ENT: "Fight or Flight")
Sometime prior to 2152, an Axanar starship stopped by the automated repair station. One of the Axanar crewmen was secretly added to the station's humanoid hosts whose brains had been tied to the computer of the station. (ENT: "Dead Stop")
By the mid-23rd century, a conflict had broken out at the site of the Axanar's homeworld, involving the United Federation of Planets, Starfleet, and Captain Garth of Izar. Garth was victorious in what became known as the Battle of Axanar and his exploits in the action became required reading at Starfleet Academy. James T. Kirk participated in the subsequent peace mission at Axanar, for which he was awarded the Palm Leaf of Axanar Peace Mission. (TOS: "Court Martial", "Whom Gods Destroy")
Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:20 pm
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They're building the Enterprise in orbit above Axanar???
I thought her components were lifted into orbit from the San Franciso Shipping yards. Yeah, under the supervision of Captain Robert April - her first captain - in 2245.
Kirk wouldn't get her until around 2265 and kept her until 2270 (the first time he had her). She was 20 years old by then. Pike had her about 10 or more years - April only 5. Maybe some down time for repairs and her first refit between Pike and Kirk would make up any lost years.
I suspect they should have shown the U.S.S. Constitution NCC - 1700 being built there, but I can't be sure what they're doing.
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Moving forward, I absolutely intend to honor the characters, storyline and tone created by Alec and Christian in PRELUDE TO AXANAR. First and foremost, I’ve always believed in the TREK universe as presented to audiences for almost 50 years. We’ve seen hundreds of years of TREK history since the original series debuted, and I intend to honor all of that. Since I was a kid, a part of me always believed in the TREK universe as a living, breathing place. In my mind, it does actually exist, so all of my creative decisions are colored by the notion of creating believability within that framework. I have to buy everything contained in AXANAR is reality as far as the TREK universe is concerned. For instance, as originally conceived, the actual design of the Starship Enterprise is such that it couldn’t possibility be constructed inside the gravity well of a planet. The component parts were constructed on Earth and then assembled in Earth Orbit, as suggested by the actual scientific advice experts advising Roddenberry and company back in the mid01960s. We’ve seen orbital dry-docks since 1979’s THE MOTION PICTURE, so, one should absolutely honor that. Seeing imagery which runs contrary to established TREK lore shatters the verisimilitude of the universe for the longtime fan base. I’m also a huge fan of the expanded TREK universe, and there are many excellent novels which also expand and extrapolate the TREK universe in very compelling and believable ways, so I’m always looking to add material from the best of the novels. Alec and I talk about John Ford’s THE FINAL REFLECTION a great deal...a must read if you’re at all interested in the Klingons.
The entire AXANAR project, from PRELUDE to AXANAR itself and beyond, is entirely driven by our donors. Without their generous and ongoing contributions, the project wouldn’t exist. Clearly, the AXANAR project is providing something to the fan base they simply aren’t getting anywhere else. The first Kickstarter campaign, to make PRELUDE, asked for 10K and wound up making over 100K. Then, the first AXANAR proper Kickstarter was about building the infrastructure of our studio, renting a facility, retrofitting it, building sets and pre-production needed to begin production on the film. We raised 630K, which was just astonishing and allowed us to build Ares Studios. This third, and hopefully final IndieGoGo campaign will allow us to actually make the entire film, which is currently budgeted at 960K. We’ve designed it to be made in four parts if need be, but obviously, if we can’t make the film all at once, each individual part becomes more expensive because you can’t amortize your costs across the entire production. If we do achieve our crowd-funding goal, I’m personally looking to do one thing...and that’s making a feature film which is considered by fans to be some of the best STAR TREK ever made.
Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:54 am
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While constructing large objects like that in space/orbit would be easier, I suspect with advanced technology and materials, it might be done in a planet's gravity well. They have, after all, materials whose strength far exceeds steel and aluminum or tungsten, or whatever, and artificial gravity, as well as propulsion systems that however impractical they may be for moving large objects interstellar distances, could be used to move large, heavy objects slowly into orbit. It might just cost ridiculous amounts of energy.
However, building in orbit seems more efficient - that is, putting the pieces together and making the final adjustments that couldn't be done to the modules themselves while on the ground.
I'm pretty sure it's canon that the Enterprise components were made at the San Francisco Shipping Yards and launched into orbit under the direction of captain Robert April - who finally took command of the assembled Enterprise as her first captain in the year 2245.
I find it interesting the suggestion that we got our phasers from the Andorians. Well, maybe not phaser technology itself, but a more powerful upgrade/version of whatever it was we did have. Though I thought the Enterprise under Captain Pike had lasers, I'd have to check that. Even if that were so, the Constitution could have had phasers right off, while the Enterprise and others had to wait until we could reverse engineer the tech the Andorians gave us, perhaps, and so the Enterprise didn't have phaser banks until after The Cage.
If they are building the Enterprise at Axanar, then I'm pretty sure they are departing from Trek canon. But Trek canon says little to nothing about the construction of the U.S.S. Constitution NCC-1700. I think, in the episode Court Martial, the Constitution was one of the ships on the scheduling board for repair, and that commodore Stone bumps other repairs to give the Enterprise priority status for repairs. In the remastered work, they show a second starship in orbit, but I think they said that one was the U.S.S. Intrepid, NCC-1631.
The screwed up registry numbers are never fully explained (in series), but I tend to think any departures from the 1700 onwards sequence were to fulfill standing contract orders with older numbers - but were made after the Constitution. They had just been sitting around on the back burners due to the priorities of life, and when they finally got to them, they weren't going to build an older ship with older tech, but just built a newer one with current tech - though the contract number remained.
Part of the reason the Enterprise might be the most famous Starship on Earth is because it was made there and often returns or patrols that general area (at least in its first couple of decades). It may have been the one crewed with all humans. This Axanar projects suggests other starships have crews of one race, at first. I would think whichever federation planet built the ship, mainly, that ship would have a special place for that planet and patrol more closely to "home." The Intrepid, for example, was crewed entirely with vulcans and was probably built at Vulcan. There may be others where the majority of crew members are not humans, but Andorians, Tellerites, and other federation members. Later, of course, more integrated crews would probably become the norm, but maybe not for some time. Even the Enterprise during TOS has only one non-human aboard, and he's half human In TAS, though, there are more non-human crew members - for obvious production reasons.
After April and Pike, Kirk took the Enterprise farther out, of course, as was the purpose (perhaps repurposed reason) for that ship, now a ship of exploration, after the wars died down. A larger part of the reason for its fame may be it was the first to return from its five-year mission with virtually its whole crew intact. The losses, while they existed, were acceptable, a relatively low percentage of loss, given the hazardous nature of their assignment, and the shabby on-going track record of other Constitution Class starships. In TOS alone, maybe nearly a third to half the fleet of 13 was lost, wasn't it?
I would think them fools for trying to rewrite canon Trek history (just to show the Enterprise) instead of taking that opportunity to write part of Trek history some of us have sorely wanted for some time - the origins of the U.S.S. Constitution NCC-1700 - the first ship of the line from whence the Enterprise was patterned.
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Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:54 am
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Whether fans like it or not, "Star Trek" belongs to CBS/Paramount, not them. To paraphrase Jules Winfield, the producers of Axanar might not have expected to get thrown off a ******-****ing building by CBS, but they had to expect SOME type of reaction. Intellectual property law requires them to vigorously defend their trademarks. I hope a deal can be worked out so that they can get this made with CBS' blessing, but Walt Disney learned this the hard way with Oswald the Rabbit, and afterwards he made sure to work with original characters he could CONTROL.
If you want to make a movie about explorers in spaceships w/o getting sued, create original characters and an original universe.
Post subject: Star Trek: Axanar - Prelude to Axanar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:09 am
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It's sort of hypocritical to freely allow and even encourage the fans to make this stuff and say nothing about it, but only try to stop it when they feel they're doing too well. The jerks. Are they going to demand they take down Prelude to Axanar as well?
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:03 am
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Jilerb wrote:
It's sort of hypocritical to freely allow and even encourage the fans to make this stuff and say nothing about it, but only try to stop it when they feel they're doing too well. The jerks. Are they going to demand they take down Prelude to Axanar as well?
Maybe the difference is that Axanar has enough production money as a "real" TV show, and thus produce real money. CBS doesn't want to allow the precedent of others being allowed to make money off their property without their permission and without them getting "a piece of the action."
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:08 am
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So don't stop them. Just demand a percentage and expect the SAME percentage from everyone. Treat everyone the same way. If a fan makes nothing, they get nothing, like before, but if they make something, they get something, and if they make a mint, they get a decent return for their nothing investment.
I figure it's got to be a thick percentage or you wouldn't be trying to hit CBS.
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:21 am
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I really think that this lawsuit has less to do with getting money from the Axanar producers than it does maintaining control of an extremely valuable intellectual property for CBS.
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:41 pm
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Then why not stop all fans from doing it? They're only stopping the potentially highly profitable ones. They seem to have some double standard going on. Pricks.
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