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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:38 pm 
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I used to love boxing until Don King destroyed it in the mid to late 90's and turned it into a freak show with bogus results and a decreasingly fraudulent heavyweight division.

MMA (I can't stand that crap) took over and young people watch that and not boxing.

That being said, this will be the most viewed fight in history.

$99 PPV is ridiculous, but bars are charging $20 which isn't so bad considering it's $11,000 for each bar via Comcast.

Is anyone planning on watching it somehow?

And, who does anyone see winning and how long will it go?

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 Post subject: Boxing 2015
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:50 pm 
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I plan to go see this at a friend's place. Looking forward to it after all these years of waiting.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 12:02 am 
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Can Pac Man pull off the upset?


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 4:13 am 
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I used to love boxing until Don King destroyed it in the mid to late 90's and turned it into a freak show with bogus results and a decreasingly fraudulent heavyweight division.

MMA (I can't stand that crap) took over and young people watch that and not boxing.

That being said, this will be the most viewed fight in history.

$99 PPV is ridiculous, but bars are charging $20 which isn't so bad considering it's $11,000 for each bar via Comcast.

Is anyone planning on watching it somehow?

And, who does anyone see winning and how long will it go?

I'm not the biggest boxing fan, but I do watch sometimes. Two buddies asked me to host a viewing (they like my TV LOL) so we'll each put in $33 and watch it. I can't stand Mayweather. I hope he gets his criminal ass knocked out, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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 Post subject: Boxing 2015
PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:36 am 
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DanO wrote:
Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I used to love boxing until Don King destroyed it in the mid to late 90's and turned it into a freak show with bogus results and a decreasingly fraudulent heavyweight division.

MMA (I can't stand that crap) took over and young people watch that and not boxing.

That being said, this will be the most viewed fight in history.

$99 PPV is ridiculous, but bars are charging $20 which isn't so bad considering it's $11,000 for each bar via Comcast.

Is anyone planning on watching it somehow?

And, who does anyone see winning and how long will it go?

I'm not the biggest boxing fan, but I do watch sometimes. Two buddies asked me to host a viewing (they like my TV LOL) so we'll each put in $33 and watch it. I can stand Mayweather. I hope he gets his criminal ass knocked out, but I wouldn't bet on it.


I'm with you on all of that. Mayweather is a thug.

I'd love to see Manny win, but I see Mayweather in a decision.

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 Post subject: Boxing 2015
PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:38 am 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
I plan to go see this at a friend's place. Looking forward to it after all these years of waiting.


We have a few people to watch but we're trying to get to the 10 people amount so it would be $10 a piece which I could live with.

I could be like the guys on The Simpsons and watch the stills at Carl's place on the news! But wait, Homer has illegal cable...

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:54 am 
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Back before all the feeds went digital, I used to scan on my big satellite dish for a wild feed from these fights. Never saw the fights, but what I almost always found was Charlie Steiner reporting for ESPN. It would just be a shot of him in a chair watching the fight on a monitor, and he'd summarize the action round-by-round so they could get the story prepped. Cool stuff.

I thought $50 was nuts to pay for a fight - but $100? Not a chance.

This is how far boxing has slipped, though - my son, who is a huge sports fan, asked me why this was such a big deal. He said he got that it was two guys everybody wants to see fight, but he couldn't understand why it was so hyped. Hard to imagine how his generation would look at Tyson-Holyfield, or Ali-Frazier or Ali-Foreman.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:07 am 
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It will be a decision. If it is a decision for Mayweather, it will be boring. If it is a decision for Manny, it will be exciting. But it is going to be a decision.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:47 am 
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Mayfield is too cautious- it has served him well obviously. I want Pac to win. If it goes the distance, it will be Mayfield. Not sure how / if I am going to watch (used to watch em all the time - back when the pirate boxes worked). But $100? Nope.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:52 am 
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A bunch of us are going to a buddy's place for the show, plus BBQ and a keg of beer.


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 Post subject: Boxing 2015
PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:05 am 
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My analysis from the IMWAN boxing thread --

Hanzo the Razor wrote:
I don't know, I feel that Pacquiao is a little predictable in his aggression -- he throws mostly straights with very few hooks and uppercuts. He has this fencing style of closing the distance and I feel it's tailor made for a fast counter puncher like Floyd Mayweather. He's physically gifted enough to have it work against most fighters but I am doubtful it works as well against a counter-puncher as talented as Pretty Boy Floyd.

Before the last Marquez fight, I watched all of the Pacquiao / Marquez fights on HBO On Demand. Pacquiao won razor thing decisions there, with Marquez's counter fighting really giving Pacman fits. That's what made me feel Mayweather had the edge -- he does everything Marquez does, but he does it better, faster, and is larger than Marquez. And as if to drive that point home, he completely smoked Marquez in their fight without much trouble.

I will be rooting for Manny, but if I were to bet my own money, I have to put it on Mayweather.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:30 am 
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I think Marquez is a more aggressive fighter than Mayweather, and he isn't afraid to take risks/punishment like Mayweather is. Mayweather won't have the level of offense against Manny that Marquez showed. I'm still picking Mayweather to win, but it won't be nearly as entertaining as the Pacquiao-Marquez battles.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:50 am 
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I just watched Mayweather v Maidana 1 last night and am not as confident in Floyd as I was prior to seeing the fight. Maidana had an unorthodox style, but his handspeed and punching power didn't seem especially great -- he's the kind of fighter I would have expected Mayweather to smoke fairly easily. Not sure how the rematch went, but if this is the Mayweather that shpws up tomorrow night, I think Pacman's chances have definitely risen.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:53 am 
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Bolgani Gogo wrote:
I'm still picking Mayweather to win, but it won't be nearly as entertaining as the Pacquiao-Marquez battles.

I feel confident you're right -- the Mayweather v Maidana fight I saw last night was supposed to be one of the more entertaining Mayweather fights in a long time because of the challenge Maidana presented. But after watching Pacquiao v Cotto, the fight seemed a little boring and tedious to get through.

This is why Pacquiao is the favorite among a lot of fans -- he's exciting, pushes the pace and really comes to fight. Also, he doesn't beat up women.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:59 am 
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
MMA (I can't stand that crap) took over and young people watch that and not boxing.

Out of curiosity, why do you hate it? It's definitely a fight-sport that's much closer to how real fighting is (as evidenced by the ease in which aging MMA champ Randy Couture beat aging boxing champ James Toney).

In any case, I think their PPV numbers are down as well. Their top stars have aged and are no longer in their primes and the fighters coming up behind them just aren't the draws they were.

What's nice about MMA is that the UFC is the dominant organization, so you pretty much have one definitive world champion, champions must fight top contenders or lose their title, far less weight classes, and PPVs are generally more satisfying and worth the purchase price.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:04 am 
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Steve wrote:
Can Pac Man pull off the upset?

I think he can if he really varies the rhythm that he throws punches with (so Floyd can't get the timing down for counter-punches), stays very active, and somehow lures Floyd into more of a slugfest than a slower paced technical boxing match. It's just really hard to do.


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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Steve wrote:
Can Pac Man pull off the upset?

I think he can if he really varies the rhythm that he throws punches with (so Floyd can't get the timing down for counter-punches), stays very active, and somehow lures Floyd into more of a slugfest than a slower paced technical boxing match. It's just really hard to do.

Mayweather has a tendency to take two or three rounds to figure out a fighter, then starting to put rounds in the bank. Maidana was an unorthodox (and a little dirty) fighter, so it took him a bit longer. Manny's also unorthodox. I think the key for Manny's success would be to change up the game plan every three or four rounds - don't let Mayweather get comfortable. To beat Mayweather, you need lots of angles of attack, a large arsenal of combo variations, and the ability to alter your timing. If anyone can do that, it's Manny.

Other big fights that need to get made:

1. Golovkin vs. Cotto
2. Stevenson vs. Kovalev
3. Wladimir vs. Wilder
4. Khan vs. Brook


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:24 am 
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alantig wrote:
This is how far boxing has slipped, though - my son, who is a huge sports fan, asked me why this was such a big deal. He said he got that it was two guys everybody wants to see fight, but he couldn't understand why it was so hyped. Hard to imagine how his generation would look at Tyson-Holyfield, or Ali-Frazier or Ali-Foreman.

The last time I remember a fight being a huge deal in pop culture was Tyson/Holyfield.

Nowadays, people like my wife couldn't name any of the heavyweight champions -- it used to be that if you had that title, you were a household name. No longer.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 3:31 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
MMA (I can't stand that crap) took over and young people watch that and not boxing.

Out of curiosity, why do you hate it? It's definitely a fight-sport that's much closer to how real fighting is (as evidenced by the ease in which aging MMA champ Randy Couture beat aging boxing champ James Toney).

In any case, I think their PPV numbers are down as well. Their top stars have aged and are no longer in their primes and the fighters coming up behind them just aren't the draws they were.

What's nice about MMA is that the UFC is the dominant organization, so you pretty much have one definitive world champion, champions must fight top contenders or lose their title, far less weight classes, and PPVs are generally more satisfying and worth the purchase price.


I find it too primitive and less graceful than what boxing used to be.

I just cannot get into it. The guys are beast and talented and skilled, but it's just not my cup of tea, and I will take boxing any day over MMA.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 3:35 pm 
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I watched the Klitschko fight on HBO last week (didn't realize he was married to Hayden Panettiere, but they showed her about 2,000 times) and is that the best we've got in the heavyweight division?

He's good but not great by any means.

Bryant Jennings didn't create enough attack but held his own and he will get better.

Anyway, I really hope to see this fight tomorrow.

Any idea of the start time EST? I'm assuming there is a large undercard?

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 4:23 pm 
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I find it too primitive and less graceful than what boxing used to be.

I can appreciate your POV and personally enjoy boxing at its best over MMA at its best -- but I must quibble with the word "primitive". MMA fighters must learn a larger variety of skillsets than boxers. They must learn boxing, kicking, judo, wrestling, jiu jitsu, etc. and then figure out how to blend them all into a cohesive, fluid fighting style.


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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I watched the Klitschko fight on HBO last week (didn't realize he was married to Hayden Panettiere, but they showed her about 2,000 times) and is that the best we've got in the heavyweight division?

Yep. I have felt for many years that they need to divide up the heavyweight division because so many more athletes are so tall and heavy now. You can't have a 140 pounder fight a 150 pounder but a guy who's 220 pounds can fight a guy who's 350 lbs?


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Any idea of the start time EST? I'm assuming there is a large undercard?

Most main events usually start at midnight, from my experience.


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