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 Post subject: [2014-09-02] Big Star "#1 Record" and "Radio City" remasters (Ardent/Stax)
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:57 pm 
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 Post subject: [2014-09-02] Big Star "#1 Record" and "Radio City" remasters (Ardent/Stax)
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:19 pm 
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Greg had also linked to the Ardent press release in his opening post. Let's bring all that text in-house:

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Big Star’s #1 Record and Radio City to be REMASTERED and reissued by Stax records

LOS ANGELES, Calif. — Stax Records will reissue two seminal albums by one of the most influential bands of the 20th century: #1 Record and Radio City by Big Star. Both releases, which have been out of print as individual CDs in the U.S. for many years, will be remastered from the original analog tape sources, and are due out September 2, 2014.

#1 Record and Radio City will be available digitally in standard, Mastered-for-iTunes and 24-bit high-resolution audio. LPs of the two albums are presently in print, available via Stax Records. Liner notes by R.E.M.’s Mike Mills (a vocal fan of Big Star, as well as a core musician on the “Big Star’s Third” concert series) will accompany the releases.

Big Star, considered to be among the founders of power pop, has been cited as an influence by many of the major alternative bands of the ’80s and ’90s, and continues to be a powerful presence in today’s musical landscape. Artists such as R.E.M., Teenage Fanclub, The Replacements (who famously penned the song “Alex Chilton”) and Wilco all enthusiastically tout the artistic impact of the group. Mike Mills recalls Big Star as “a band who had gotten it right, who made records that sounded like rock and roll bands should sound. A band who wrote all the songs, from flat-out rockers to achingly beautiful ballads that were still somehow rock songs.”

The Memphis band formed in 1971, with a lineup of singer/songwriters Alex Chilton and Chris Bell, drummer Jody Stephens and bassist Andy Hummel. Heavily inspired by the British Invasion, Chilton and Bell drew on the Lennon/McCartney style of collaborative songwriting to create their debut — Chilton taking a visceral approach, often laying down guitar and vocal tracks in one take, while Bell added polish with overdubs and harmonies. Ardent Records founder John Fry engineered the album in his studio and released #1 Record on his Stax-distributed label in 1972 to sweeping critical success.

In the fall of 1973, following the departure of Chris Bell, the band regrouped and began work on album number two with Alex Chilton at the helm and Fry once again behind the console. Losing the creative input of a major talent such as Bell could have wreaked havoc on the band’s progress, however, Chilton was able to use this opportunity to shine, and prove himself to be an incredible songwriter on his own. Journalists and fans agreed: bearing another tongue-in-cheek title, Radio City garnered rave reviews and produced several cult favorites, including “September Gurls,” which has been covered by everyone from The Bangles to Superdrag.

The legacies of #1 Record and Radio City have far exceeded the original commercial letdowns of both albums, which are now considered to be milestones in the history of rock by critics and musicians alike. The two LPs made it onto Rolling Stone’s 500 “Greatest Albums of All Time” lists, while tracks from each album (“Thirteen” and “September Gurls”) are also among the magazine’s 500 “Greatest Songs of All Time.” Numerous artists (Elliot Smith, Beck and Jeff Buckleyto name a few) have recorded covers of the band’s songs. Big Star has been honored with a tribute record (Big Star Small World, 2006), a documentary (2012’s Nothing Can Hurt Me) and a touring live show, “Big Star’s Third,” which features the sole-surviving original member of the band, Jody Stephens, on drums, guest vocalists, a chamber orchestra and a core band including Mike Mills, Chris Stamey of The dB’s, The Posies’ Ken Stringfellow and others. The ever-changing ensemble performs Big Star’s album Third/Sister Lovers, as well as favorites from the first two records.

Of the reissues, Stephens says, “Very glad to see these two coming out with the sonic approval of John Fry. Grateful for Chris, Andy and Alex and for Jon and Ken. The music’s journey continues.”

Fry adds, “All I can say is that these were the best projects I have ever worked, with the best artists and friends I have ever had the pleasure to know. I love the music and the cast of characters: Chris, Alex, Andy and Jody. I think fans will be pleased by the sound and the packaging. They may have to turn the volume up a bit, since we did not want to remove the analog dynamic range. Sit back and enjoy the definitive digital versions of #1 Record and Radio City, two of my three favorite albums.”

The band’s enduring legacy can be attributed to many factors, but perhaps Mike Mills summarizes it best: “Songwriting has always been, for me, the most vital gauge of a band’s quality, and these guys were clearly masters … [Big Star] gave you something satisfying to listen to, no matter how many times you heard them.”

Album Track Listings:

#1 Record

Feel 3:34
The Ballad of El Goodo 4:21
In the Street 2:55
Thirteen 2:34
Don’t Lie to Me 3:07
The India Song 2:20
When My Baby’s Beside Me 3:23
My Life Is Right 3:08
Give Me Another Chance 3:27
Try Again 3:31
Watch the Sunrise 3:45
ST100/6 0:57

Radio City

O My Soul 5:40
Life Is White 3:19
Way Out West 2:50
What’s Going Ahn 2:40
You Get What You Deserve 3:08
Mod Lang 2:45
Back of a Car 2:46
Daisy Glaze 3:49
She’s a Mover 3:12
September Gurls 2:49
Morpha Too 1:28
I’m in Love With a Girl 1:48

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 Post subject: [2014-09-02] Big Star "#1 Record" and "Radio City" remasters (Ardent/Stax)
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:28 pm 
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No bonus tracks, but I'm in for both CDs -- yet again -- since they're fresh remasters. No optical pressings, not even the SACD from a decade ago, have completely sounded like the Big Star LPs I committed to memory in my teens.

The mention of "24-bit high-resolution audio" makes me hopeful that Blu-rays will be forthcoming at some point.

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As these are already on SACD (which I own), I'm going to pass

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I'll get these. I only have the 2-fer....which I bought at the Stax museum.

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I'm in for these. I think there's a decent chance they will be the best digital masters yet. Two of the best albums ever made.


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I don't see any way a 44/16 cd can top a decently mastered SACD on decent playback equipment.

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I agree, but the SACD isn't decently mastered from the perspective of how the albums should sound stylistically. This part of the article gives me hope that the new versions will be more like the originals:

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Fry adds, “All I can say is that these were the best projects I have ever worked, with the best artists and friends I have ever had the pleasure to know. I love the music and the cast of characters: Chris, Alex Andy and Jody. I think fans will be pleased by the sound and the packaging. They may have to turn the volume up a bit, since we did not want to remove the analog dynamic range. Sit back and enjoy the definitive digital versions of #1 Record and Radio City, two of my three favorite albums.”

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I have the SACD but I am still very interested in hearing how these come out.

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There's a whole website dedicated to these forthcoming reissues, including complete SoundCloud tracks for both albums... happy surfing.

http://mediakits.concordmusicgroup.com/ ... r_reissues


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SoundCloud streams don't tell the whole story, but they tell enough that I'm sold on these. Listen to "What's Going Ahn" and "Back Of A Car" for what I'm looking for -- these two show off the sick dynamics that this style of music is supposed to have -- sharp and ringing at the high end, with a thick, fat sound on the bottom. It's supposed to be extreme at both ends. Engineers usually lean towards one style or the other when remastering an album -- it's either brighter and jangly or duller and thuddy -- but they're not used to having both extremes on the same disc like Big Star recorded. And the volume is on the low side, like John Fry promised.

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Linda wrote:
SoundCloud streams don't tell the whole story, but they tell enough that I'm sold on these. Listen to "What's Going Ahn" and "Back Of A Car" for what I'm looking for -- these two show off the sick dynamics that this style of music is supposed to have -- sharp and ringing at the high end, with a thick, fat sound on the bottom. It's supposed to be extreme at both ends. Engineers usually lean towards one style or the other when remastering an album -- it's either brighter and jangly or duller and thuddy -- but they're not used to having both extremes on the same disc like Big Star recorded. And the volume is on the low side, like John Fry promised.


That seals it for me. I'm in! :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: [2014-09-02] Big Star "#1 Record" and "Radio City" remasters (Ardent/Stax)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:09 pm 
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Eye bee inn two! Never could pull the trigger on the 2fer based on the sound quality reviews...

It just dawned on me the similarities between "Watch The Sunrise" and Zep's "That's The Way" from III, interesting...

"When My Baby's Beside Me", the chord before the verses, and the last chord of the song, is fundamentally if not exactly the same chord as the opening of "A Hard Day's Night", kool...

So far, none of Big Star's single releases have appeared on any local Top 40 chart in the ARSA radio chart historical database of 1696 radio stations. I'm pleased to report that will soon change, as I have 4 charts from my hometown station WLLL AM 930 / FM 98.3 in Lynchburg, Va., that "When My Baby's Beside Me" appeared on from Oct to Dec 1972. It could have been on the WLLL charts for up to 9 weeks, looks like it peaked at # 11 for 2 weeks. Far out...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:04 pm 
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Geff R. wrote:
I don't see any way a 44/16 cd can top a decently mastered SACD on decent playback equipment.


It's all in how decent the mastering is. I'm starting to think, given some recent acquisitions, that a really well mastered 44/16 (rebook) CD can easily top an SACD. While the SACD has inherent advantages, I think the mastering is the more important aspect.

For example, I bought the remastered CD of Elton John's Tumbleweed Connection a while back. Sounded really good to me, much better than the original CD. Then I found out there was an SACD, so I got a copy of that. Can't hold a candle to the remastered CD. OK, maybe the SACD mastering isn't "decent," but you don't know until you hear it.

I suspect that most SACDs are well-mastered, partly because it's a high-end audiophile market. But there have been some recent CDs that are jaw-dropping for me. I may not have ears like yours, Geff, or my equipment may not be as good, but the CSNY 1974 (CD version) and the Jackson Browne tribute Looking Into You sound amazing on my system, so good that I begin to wonder how much improvement an SACD could offer.

I want to hear these new remasters for myself.


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As I personally learned after I upgraded from a $100 Pioneer SACD player to my Oppo. the quality of the SACD player has a HUGE role in the sound quality of SACD's. This is also true with cd players & cd's.

I used to think that SACD was horribly over rated until I got the Oppo. There's old posts on this board of me discussing that with Barry Diament.

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Rokin Robin of Locksley wrote:
So far, none of Big Star's single releases have appeared on any local Top 40 chart in the ARSA radio chart historical database of 1696 radio stations. I'm pleased to report that will soon change, as I have 4 charts from my hometown station WLLL AM 930 / FM 98.3 in Lynchburg, Va., that "When My Baby's Beside Me" appeared on from Oct to Dec 1972. It could have been on the WLLL charts for up to 9 weeks, looks like it peaked at # 11 for 2 weeks. Far out...

That's delightful. I didn't think that Big Star's singles had charted anywhere, ever.

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I'll send you a link, Linda, when the charts get posted on ARSA, the Airheads Radio Survey Archive. It'll be sometime during Oct thru Dec 2014...


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Geff R. wrote:
As I personally learned after I upgraded from a $100 Pioneer SACD player to my Oppo. the quality of the SACD player has a HUGE role in the sound quality of SACD's. This is also true with cd players & cd's.

I used to think that SACD was horribly over rated until I got the Oppo. There's old posts on this board of me discussing that with Barry Diament.


You're probably right, Geff.


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Concord has kindly made embeddable versions available, so I can bring them into our thread:




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Thanks for posting the samples, Linda. I don't have a disc handy to compare them to, but they sound really good to me.


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My copies have shipped from Amazon!


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These arrived from Amazon yesterday. I haven't had a chance to compare them to other CD versions, but I like what I'm hearing so far. More detail and clarity, and the acoustic guitars sound great on songs like Thirteen. Jody Stephens' drums stand out as well.


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