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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:25 pm 
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What is hilarious about this article (to me) is that everywhere that I see it on social media, people are commenting on it without reading the article. "BOO! DC should NOT have a male Wonder Woman!" "This is horrible! Please change her back to a woman!"

Why DC Comics Should Replace Wonder Woman With a Man

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In the wake of Marvel Comics' recent announcements that an African American character will take over the mantle of iconic Captain America (after the regular guy loses his super powers in battle with an arch foe), and that a woman will be Thor in future comics, I think it's time for DC Comics to get into the act before they get left behind.

The most logical and sensational choice would be for them to find a man to take over the role of Wonder Woman. Not only would this surprise readers, but define a modern paradigm for superheroes never seen before. To preserve the integrity of the character, not to mention the marketing potential of a brand name like Wonder Woman, they should make sure to preserve Wonder Woman's current costume, replete with the star-spangled Speedos, red bustier and golden bracelets. After all, just because a man will fill those high heels doesn't mean that the public won't want to see the same Wonder Woman they have grown to love and worship.

Of course, there will be some challenges, such as filling the bustier, but in an age of padded bras and other clever devices for creating illusions, that should hardly be a challenge that the DC Comics team can't tackle. The same goes for the lower part of the costume where a beer gut and a pair of hairy legs will certainly add a twist to a familiar tale and delight readers with pleasures that they never saw coming.

So is this idea as ridiculous as it sounds? Yes, but so is the stunt casting by Marvel Comics of its major characters. To be clear, it is great that the powers that be at Marvel Comics are finally paying attention to underrepresented minorities in their stories but by simply plugging them into the costumes and legends of established characters, they are not so much elevating minorities as using them to sell more comics in a progressive age.

If they really wanted to introduce minority characters into their comics, the right and responsible way to do it would be to introduce new characters that are just as powerful and charismatic as Captain America or Thor, and to develop them from the ground up as African American or female. By meddling with characters whose physical imagery has already been ingrained into pop culture psyche for more than half a century, all Marvel Comics is really doing is extending brands that are past their prime and/or trying to be politically correct in the silliest way possible.

Now Marvel Comics supporters might argue that casting minorities in the tights of major superheroes will force us to think differently about those icons, but what's the point of that? Isn't the point to define firm and powerful identities for an African American man in his own right or a woman in her own right rather than hoping that they will somehow be taken more seriously in the reflected glory of famous characters?

Does an example of the latter come to mind? Yes. Wonder Woman -- a fantastic character that stands in her own right as a member of the DC pantheon of Gods and on par with Superman and Batman. That to me is giving respect to minorities, not what Marvel Comics is doing.

Otherwise, we could well wind up with a hirsute guy in blue underwear, giving us a gratuitous view of his superhero assets while flying above our heads in an invisible plane...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:32 pm 
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The problem is (of course) that we can't create a minority superhero on the level of a Thor or a Captain America because we haven't been able to create a white (or any race) superhero on that level. At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


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Every costume works better on a female.


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RobertSwanderson wrote:
The problem is (of course) that we can't create a minority superhero on the level of a Thor or a Captain America because we haven't been able to create a white (or any race) superhero on that level. At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


Whenever the question of colour blind casting or cross gender casting comes up, this simple but glaringly obvious fact seems to be totally ignored by the oh-noes-how-could-they crowd. There are no black superheroes that are anything like as high profile or popular as the white ones. There just aren't. Because they were created in 'simpler; - more racist, less enlightened times. Given that this is the case what on Earth is wrong with recasting roles to fit in with more modern sensibilities?

There are no super-heroes where 'being white' is a core part of their identity, not when their origins are updated to the seven year ago past. We need to get used to it. Build a bridge - and get over it.


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DEfinitely. And if they do write stories about old characters they should not do anything with them that has not been done before. But they must not tell the same stories again. Same but different. The illusion of same but different. I call it Sin City Syndrome.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:29 pm 
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That Wonder Man costume is so ugly that it is good. By far, WM's best. Is that a Don Heck design?


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The doodle around the mid section looks like he threw it in so that he could hurry up and finish the design.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:20 pm 
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Evans wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
The problem is (of course) that we can't create a minority superhero on the level of a Thor or a Captain America because we haven't been able to create a white (or any race) superhero on that level. At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


Whenever the question of colour blind casting or cross gender casting comes up, this simple but glaringly obvious fact seems to be totally ignored by the oh-noes-how-could-they crowd. There are no black superheroes that are anything like as high profile or popular as the white ones. There just aren't. Because they were created in 'simpler; - more racist, less enlightened times. Given that this is the case what on Earth is wrong with recasting roles to fit in with more modern sensibilities?

There are no super-heroes where 'being white' is a core part of their identity, not when their origins are updated to the seven year ago past. We need to get used to it. Build a bridge - and get over it.


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At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:49 pm 
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Junkie Luv wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


Speedball


The one character where minorities will say, "That's okay, you can leave him white and male."


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RobertSwanderson wrote:
Junkie Luv wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


Speedball


The one character where minorities will say, "That's okay, you can leave him white and male."

Also, citing a character created 26 years ago kinda backs up your original statement. :ohyes:


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Fraxon! wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
Junkie Luv wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
At least at Marvel and DC, the age of creating iconic superheroes is long past.


Speedball


The one character where minorities will say, "That's okay, you can leave him white and male."

Also, citing a character created 26 years ago kinda backs up your original statement. :ohyes:


That long, huh?


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Speedball was wonderful. Please don't malign any Steve Ditko creations in this otherwise excellent thread.


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Ha ha ha ha...

Stop.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:22 pm 
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I just like the character to look close to the dude in the comics.

Its like when you guys cry about Michael Keaton as Batman. He's a fine actor, but he doesn't look like the dude in the comics.

Also -- if Guardians of the Galaxy does well, will the possibility that previously unknown characters becoming successful seem possible?


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