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Norman Lear Goes Archie Bunker on TV Ageism

Norman Lear, the greatest TV comedy producer of all time, can’t get a series made these days, he says. The Producer’s Guild of America may have named its episodic comedy award after Lear, but good luck getting a Lear-made episodic comedy on the air now. In a TV-transforming run through the 1970s, Lear tackled the most controversial issues of the time – including racism, abortion, sexism and so much else – but he says the only time he’s ever been censored is today.

Lear, now almost 92 and reflecting on his legendary career in a packed session at the PGA’s Produced By conference, said no one ever told him, “You can’t do that,” while he was producing ground-breaking shows such as All in the Family, Maude, and The Jeffersons. But today, when he pitches a comedy that’s set in a retirement village, nobody wants to hear about it.

“They don’t want to touch the demographic,” he said. Apparently, he said, there’s only room for one old person (that would be another comedy veteran, Betty White, who actually is a few months older than Lear) on network television today.

The name of the show Lear has been pitching is Guess Who’s Dead?, a title that got a huge laugh from the audience. It is particularly ironic that Lear, whose People for the American Way organization long has fought for free speech and civil rights, isn’t free to speak to a wider audience than the one gathered Sunday on the Warner Brothers lot, because what he has to say about “the foolishness of the human condition” is as timeless as it is wise and funny.

Moderator and Modern Family producer Steve Levitan, who has won more PGA Norman Lear Awards than anyone, asked if there was any subject that Lear believes is too controversial for a TV show to explore. Lear shot back, “I never did anything that I thought would make a state secede from the Union.”

Lear said the greatest lesson he could pass on came from Jean Stapleton, the late co-star of All in the Family. ”She’s always where she is,” he said, very Zen-like. “Always be where you are.”

In contrast to Lear’s humor and humanity, the under-forty speakers at the next panel on ‘Emerging Majors’ oozed techno jargon and youth-minded obsession. Fittingly, those in attendance were urged to follow Lear’s example to “be where you are” and turn off their cell phones.

Three panelists said they don’t even watch network television–that they get their news and entertainment from their mobile devices. Each mentioned the word “young” or “younger” at least once. Subtitled “New possibilities for scripted storytelling,” the panelists discussed storytelling as if they were meat packagers.

“For us, platform is everything,”said Laura Allen, head of production for Yahoo!

“Getting content prepared,” was how Eric Opeka, Cinedigm’s EVP, Digital Networks, described the writing process. “Is this a property we can use to drive consumers to our paid services?”

“Brand integration” is the key, said John P. Roberts, who is Endemol USA’s SVP digital media. “If a product doesn’t hit that brand filter, we don’t do it.”

A success matrix for a no-budget film of a girl putting lipstick on in her bedroom is hard to measure, the panelists agreed, but if it has a high likelihood of being shared and clicked on through social media, those are good indicators of “micro-budget programming” with a chance of success.

“Producing content for almost nothing is also important,” Allen said, noting that this is “a huge opportunity for young writers who don’t have any credits.”

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 Post subject: Norman Lear goes Archie Bunker on TV ageism
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With so many networks trying to find a show for the right niche audience one would think that such a series would be snapped up. I would love to see a show set in a retirement home, or even a nursing home where the elderly have personalities and not just a bunch of drooling zombies. There is so much to say about characters that have lived long lives with all of the funny stories and life experiences that go with them.

One of the funniest episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm was when Larry went to visit his father in the nursing home and could hear porn playing loudly in the hall, only to find out that it was his father who has a hearing problem watching it in his room, and then later when he accuses an old lady of fixing a bingo game.


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 Post subject: Norman Lear goes Archie Bunker on TV ageism
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This isn't new, necessarily; popular shows aimed toward older demographics have been cancelled even during success for not hitting "the market". I think Matlock was one, maybe? I don't remember specifically.


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Old people just aren't as influenced by advertisement. They're already "locked in" on most products they use.

You can only sell so much of that crap life insurance that pays enough for a coffin.

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It's easy for Lear to blame ageism, but it may well be that people have looked at the script for this show and found it to be no good. And the fact that all of the shows Lear produced in the 90s (his last stint as an active TV producer) were unsuccessful is probably a factor too.


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Bring back Archie Bunker!!!










Oh wait, he's dead. Crap!

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It would probably be better than most shows.

Mike would finally get his revenge on Archie after all these years.

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Dr. Chris Evil wrote:
Fraxon! wrote:
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It would probably be better than most shows.

Mike would finally get his revenge on Archie after all these years.

It gives a whole new meaning to the nickname "Meathead"... :ohyes:


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If CBS ain't buying it, then no one will.

Two things work against such a show. Most importantly the elderly are not the most desirable demographic since they have less disposable income. Secondly, there's been a shift away from tradition network models... CBS's success is largely because the older generation don't download.

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I think that part of Lear's and/or the studios' problem is that thinking that the audience for such a show would only be the elderly. If a comedy is truly funny it will cross demographics and succeed.

My mother who has never read a comic book, watched a SF movie, or even understands or believes in a lot of science is in her 70s and loves the Big Bang Theory. White people loved the Cosby Show, and one didn't have to be someone in their 20s/30s to enjoy Friends, or work in an Office to like The Office, or be a Manhattan Jew to relate to Seinfeld.


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I think young people could get a hoot out of watching a show called Guess Who's Dead.
I suppose they could try adding a young person to show, let the story revolve around
his or her visits to the home to see "Grandpa," and showcase a lot of interesting folk
telling their stories to the boy (and we could see some of their stories, too, perhaps
in flashback featuring younger versions of themselves).

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They could make it relatable by having a sassy 57-year-old that works in the admin office.

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