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 Post subject: Marvel pushing Fantastic Four to the back of the Marvel comic book universe
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:01 am 
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Artists given specific instructions not to use Fantastic Four characters.
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That Marvel Comics were to cancel their Fantastic Four comics (though still using the characters in other titles) as a deliberate snub to Fox, currently producing the Fantastic Four movie. With the belief, from on high, that any publication of Fantastic Four comic books only helped Fox Studios at the expense of Marvel Studios. And while X-Men were just too popular comics to cancel, the Fantastic Four… wasn’t. So both comics would be dropped.

There was flimsy evidence to back it up. That the Marvel 75th Anniversary project had no Fantastic Four on the cover, despite being Marvel’s first superhero team, and the core of the modern Marvel comic. I was told that Fantastic Four imagery had been taken down at Marvel’s offices. And then certain very chatty people in the past suddenly clammed up when this was mentioned.

Well, this morning another shoe on the caterpillar dropped. An artist who I have been asked not to name, told me,

I do a number of sketch card projects for Upper Deck and Rittenhouse using Marvel characters. The most recent projects from both companies, one billed as Marvel 75th Anniversary, gave specific guidelines to NOT use any FF characters or supporting cast such as Dr Doom, Galactus, Surfer, Skrulls etc…

So… what do we think?

Another source close to Marvel tells me that this is all coming from Marvel CEO and largest Disney shareholder Ike Perlmutter, who has been known to take these kind of things very personally indeed.

Also, it’s worth pointing out that Marvel has a very different relationship with Fox than it does with Sony.

UPDATE: From another artist, here comes the instruction sheet received by sketch card artists.

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I wish the backlash would cause Fox to delay/cancel their movie and revert the rights back to Marvel. I know why it all happened, but the reality is the FF films are being done by people who don't get it at all. I'm sure they can make fine films as creators (giving the benefit of the doubt to talent levels) but they don't have any interest in making a FF film, and the MCU would be far better served by being able to have the FF.


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Well, it was only a matter of time before the movies and the comic books clashed - I guess this is just the first example.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:27 am 
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Hmm, I just picked up the first two issues of the Allred Silver Surfer, hope it hasn't gotten the can too.

How much would it cost Disney to actually buy the rights back from the other studios? I've been watching the Ultimate Spider- Man cartoon on Netflix, and one of the best aspects is seeing the Marvel movie Avengers characters interact with Spider- Man and the rest of the Marvel Universe.


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I haven't been reading that many comic books lately, but I'll bet that in the comic books Tony Stark is a LOT smarter than he used to be before the Robert Downey, Jr. Iron Man movies came out. It takes genius to make an Iron Man suit, but before the movies Reed Richards was clearly the smartest guy in the Marvel Universe and the go-to man if somebody like the Avengers wanted to talk to somebody REALLY smart. I assume that now Tony Stark has become The Smartest Man In The M.U.


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I think you're on the money, Eddy.

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If Marvel Entertainment makes most of its money from Marvel Studios rather than sales of the comic books, then it does make sense. Keep in mind that before Disney bought Marvel Comics, from Marvel's point of view they might not have been getting as much money as if they were making the movies themselves, but they were still making money. Now the money Fox pays Marvel for licensing the Fantastic Four is offset by how the parent company Disney is hurt by the competition.

And yet...Disney/Marvel doesn't seem to mind any of the Spider-Man films by Sony. Is Sony more polite and co-operative with Marvel? Or is it that Disney feels they are profiting from films that promote Marvel's most popular character even if the movie isn't made by them?


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I think you're on the money, Eddy.


Thank you, but I'd rather the money be in my pocket. :rim:


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Hmm, I just picked up the first two issues of the Allred Silver Surfer, hope it hasn't gotten the can too.

How much would it cost Disney to actually buy the rights back from the other studios? I've been watching the Ultimate Spider- Man cartoon on Netflix, and one of the best aspects is seeing the Marvel movie Avengers characters interact with Spider- Man and the rest of the Marvel Universe.


If Disney was only making occasional Marvel superhero movies that made only a modest profit, Fox might consider selling them the rights, but not now. Know how the Distinguished Competiton would continually publish Wonder Woman year after year to make sure they didn't lose the rights to the character? At this point, I think Fox is willing to continually make Fantastic Four movies, even if they lose money (if it isn't too much) to make sure that the rights don't revert to Disney/Marvel who would might make a BETTER movie that would compete with Fox's. If that's the case, I think Fox may be conservative with FF movie budgets to make sure that the studio can absorb any losses the movie might make. If the film turns out to be surprisingly successful, more money can be spent on the sequels.


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I've always thought that the Inhumans were subsidiaries to the Fantastic Four, but apparently Marvel must own the rights to them outright---that's the only reason why I'd see them getting the prominence that they do on the 75th Anniversary cover.

And nothing against Rocket Raccoon, but it's shocking seeing him on the cover standing where Wolverine would normally be.


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Not really shocking when you consider the fact that he's currently featuring in a movie that Marvel are wanting to ensure is as successful as possible.

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Simon wrote:
I think you're on the money, Eddy.

As someone who actually has been reading the comics and only quit recently, you would both be wrong. He was as smart as movie Tony before the movies ever came around, and is about the same. The difference is that in the comics there is a Reed Richards, who is smarter than him, where in the MCU, there isn't, because they aren't allowed to mention him. Even so, it's more of a different thing, as one is a laboratory scientist and the other is a mechanical engineer.


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(T)Eddy wrote:
If Marvel Entertainment makes most of its money from Marvel Studios rather than sales of the comic books, then it does make sense. Keep in mind that before Disney bought Marvel Comics, from Marvel's point of view they might not have been getting as much money as if they were making the movies themselves, but they were still making money. Now the money Fox pays Marvel for licensing the Fantastic Four is offset by how the parent company Disney is hurt by the competition.

And yet...Disney/Marvel doesn't seem to mind any of the Spider-Man films by Sony. Is Sony more polite and co-operative with Marvel? Or is it that Disney feels they are profiting from films that promote Marvel's most popular character even if the movie isn't made by them?

Perhaps it's because they are fairly true to the characters (as are the X-Men movies, mostly), and this really is a creative statement? Just speculation.


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Jeff wrote:
Simon wrote:
I think you're on the money, Eddy.

As someone who actually has been reading the comics and only quit recently, you would both be wrong. He was as smart as movie Tony before the movies ever came around, and is about the same. The difference is that in the comics there is a Reed Richards, who is smarter than him, where in the MCU, there isn't, because they aren't allowed to mention him. Even so, it's more of a different thing, as one is a laboratory scientist and the other is a mechanical engineer.


Jeff is right, of course. I didn't read what he wrote, but I'm assuming he's correct about whatever it is that he said. ;)

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Jeff wrote:
(T)Eddy wrote:
If Marvel Entertainment makes most of its money from Marvel Studios rather than sales of the comic books, then it does make sense. Keep in mind that before Disney bought Marvel Comics, from Marvel's point of view they might not have been getting as much money as if they were making the movies themselves, but they were still making money. Now the money Fox pays Marvel for licensing the Fantastic Four is offset by how the parent company Disney is hurt by the competition.

And yet...Disney/Marvel doesn't seem to mind any of the Spider-Man films by Sony. Is Sony more polite and co-operative with Marvel? Or is it that Disney feels they are profiting from films that promote Marvel's most popular character even if the movie isn't made by them?

Perhaps it's because they are fairly true to the characters (as are the X-Men movies, mostly), and this really is a creative statement? Just speculation.


I doubt it. I'm sure that, if this is true, Marvel would love to do it with the X-Men as well, but it's obvious they can't.

I'm not sure why Marvel's relationship with Sony is more cordial. Perhaps Avi Arad's involvement?

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If Marvel is going to stop using Dr. Doom in their comics if this rumour is true, who becomes the top villain in the Marvel Universe? I suspect that Loki may be getting a promotion in the villain department considering how popular he was in three movies. Of course, I don't know if you necessarily NEED a top villain, but other villains who otherwise might be overshadowed by Doom are probably going to get more face time. The X-Universe may simply be treated as a separate universe from the MU if Marvel wants to profit from comic book sales but not want to promote the Fox movies.


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If they go through with it, Doom will still appear around the Marvel comics universe. Just not in the FF books. I'd think that Loki will get elevated no matter what plan they go with.


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Loki appears pretty often in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.


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Marvel Comics is lame if they are really doing this. It's their characters, not Fox's.

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Dr.Doom could use less face time in comics.He's overused as it is.

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(T)Eddy wrote:
If Marvel is going to stop using Dr. Doom in their comics if this rumour is true, who becomes the top villain in the Marvel Universe? I suspect that Loki may be getting a promotion in the villain department considering how popular he was in three movies. Of course, I don't know if you necessarily NEED a top villain, but other villains who otherwise might be overshadowed by Doom are probably going to get more face time. The X-Universe may simply be treated as a separate universe from the MU if Marvel wants to profit from comic book sales but not want to promote the Fox movies.

They aren't going to stop using any characters. Even if the rumor is true, that's not what the rumor is.


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(T)Eddy wrote:
If Marvel is going to stop using Dr. Doom in their comics if this rumour is true, who becomes the top villain in the Marvel Universe? I suspect that Loki may be getting a promotion in the villain department considering how popular he was in three movies. Of course, I don't know if you necessarily NEED a top villain, but other villains who otherwise might be overshadowed by Doom are probably going to get more face time. The X-Universe may simply be treated as a separate universe from the MU if Marvel wants to profit from comic book sales but not want to promote the Fox movies.


Do Marvel heroes fight villains anymore?

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