Earlier this month, Pandora revealed artist payouts in the millions, as part of its ongoing campaign to reduce the royalty rate for online radio — or at least add a similar burden to FM radio, which pays no performance royalty.
To be clear, Pandora phrased this carefully in its blog post on the topic, saying that it paid out all this money “for” artists, rather than “to” them. Just the same, we figured we’d check in with SoundExchange, which gathers these royalties and then disburses them to the proper copyright owners, for a reminder about how they disburse that money — and how much really goes to the artists in question.
“The owner of the sound recording [usually a label] receives 50 percent, and 5 percent is shared with the session musicians and backup singers also on the recording,” SoundExchange senior communications manager Sophia Majlessi told Evolver.fm. “That leaves 45 percent for the featured artists.”
So when Pandora says it is paying over $10,000 for the music of the late, great Oscar Peterson, it’s really paying over $4,500 to his estate, assuming all of Peterson’s music went through a record label, as is almost certainly the case. We just thought we’d make that clear, given that we may have contributed to the impression that Pandora and other online radio services were paying all that money directly to artists.
Say what you will about Pandora’s compensation to artists and labels — some point to the fact that it doesn’t have many high-profile competitors as a sign that the royalty rates for online radio are too high, while others blast the company for not paying out enough, even as it forks over the majority of its revenue to copyright holders. One thing is beyond dispute: Online radio, under these government-set rates, is different from nearly any other kind of digital business.
Usually, when you build something out of ones and zeros, your costs rise at a much lower rate than the revenues from people using it. If I put a song on iTunes, for example, and one person buys it, I lose money. If I sell a few more copies, I break even at some point. If 10,000 people buy it, I make a lot more, without incurring any more cost. And if I sell 100,000 copies, all of that extra revenue is pure profit. This is the way of most digital businesses, from magazines to movie rentals.
For online radio services like Pandora, however, royalty costs rise directly alongside usage because they have to pay an additional flat rate for each song streamed to each listener — a rate that increases each year. This is why Pandora currently pays half of its revenue to SoundExchange, even at its industry-leading scale
One response to this would be, “Fine, so the payouts increase alongside usage — who cares? Pandora can just sell more ads to increase its revenue alongside those other factors, and make money, even if its profits won’t scale the way those from a traditional digital business do.”
Good point — except for one thing: There are finite ad dollars companies are willing to (or able to) commit to online radio, especially when so many other businesses are ad-supported. So even if Pandora expands past its already impressive ratio of about 1 in every 10 Americans using the service, its royalty costs will continue to rise proportionally as ad dollars are harder to come by.
In light of that, it’s easy to see why Pandora along with many other online radio and consumer electronics companies is asking Congress to do something about that rate.
How much should "free" music cost and who should pay for it?
That's the deceptively simple question at the heart of the latest round of legal wrangling surrounding the Oakland-based online radio service Pandora, which has launched an effort to get federal legislation passed to lower royalty rates paid to musicians so that it may remain competitive.
In response, more than 100 artists, including high-profile acts like Rihanna, Pink Floyd and Katy Perry, have signed an open letter opposing the move. "Pandora's principal asset is the music," the letter states. "Why is the company asking Congress once again to step in and gut the royalties that thousands of musicians rely upon? That's not fair and that's not how partners work together."
Pandora argues that Internet radio royalty fees should be in line with those of other services, such as cable and satellite radio. According to the company, it paid 54 percent of its revenue to record companies and artists last year. By comparison, Sirius satellite radio paid 8 percent. Pandora, however, agreed in 2007 with the artists' and labels' representative organization to its royalty rate.
Remember Napster If all of this sounds somewhat familiar, it's because the dispute echoes similar controversies that have arisen ever since Napster first knocked the record industry off its axis a decade ago by introducing the concept of free, unregulated downloading of music over the Internet.
The major labels were ultimately able to drive Napster out of business on the basis of copyright infringement but the genie was out of the bottle. Fans came to expect convenient and low-cost access to music around the clock.
The dominance of the Internet as an information delivery platform means that the issue of what should be free and who should pay for it has, if anything, become even more complicated - so much so that virtually any solution is bound to short-change at least one part of the music industry itself.
Last month, Pandora, a publicly traded company, filed a lawsuit against the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers to lower its 4 percent obligation for publishing royalties to the 1.7 percent paid by broadcast radio.
"The whole concept that Pandora is out to screw artists is just not true," said Brian Zisk, founder and executive producer of the SF MusicTech Summit conference series. "What Pandora is trying to do is survive. If terrestrial radio was paying ... terrestrial would end up paying $4 billion for the same usage."
Raising revenue At issue is that while satellite and terrestrial radio have effectively monetized their services by passing on costs to listeners - either through subscription fees or sizable advertising blocks - Pandora largely remains free.
"If the government makes it possible for Pandora to run with just a minute of advertising an hour, is anyone going to listen to traditional radio anymore?" said Robert Levine, former executive editor of Billboard and author of the book "Free Ride," which explores the impact new media has had on the business of content creators.
According to Pandora's fourth-quarter financial report, 90 percent of its revenue comes from pop-up and audio advertising, which in the online world not only tends to drive away users (in many cases, to music pirating outlets) but have yet to prove effective, especially as more users shift to mobile devices.
"Mobile advertising is not taking off for many reasons so, like Facebook, Pandora is struggling to make any sizable revenue from mobile ads," said Dave Allen, founding member and bass player for the bands Gang of Four and Shriekback, who blogs frequently about developments on the digital music front.
Slow to change It's a confusing debate for Pandora's 175 million users and even the members of Congress who are being asked to weigh in. The music industry, which is notoriously slow to adapt to change, has been in free-fall for more than a decade as new business models keep emerging without clear guidelines in place for compensation for creative works, with artists suffering the most in the process.
"It's a tough situation," Zisk said. "There's this fight over the perceived remaining scraps and not a focus on how to build the pie."
Casey Rae, deputy director of the artists' advocacy group Future of Music Coalition, said that while he would like to see Pandora survive, the bill getting batted around in Washington at the moment isn't the solution.
"It doesn't take into account enough factors," he said. "There's no economic backbone to it. There haven't been any impact studies. We need more data. We need to take the broader market to decide this is good."
Levine agreed. "People in the music industry always disagree on how to make money," he said. "This is one of the few things in which there's almost no disagreement. It's a pretty big deal."
The music makers The people who actually make the music, meanwhile, can't do much more than voice their concerns while music labels, politicians and venture capital-backed startups battle it out over the money - of which there's less and less these days.
"Musicians are grossly devalued at the moment," said Jordan Kurland, producer of the Noise Pop music festival in San Francisco and manager for artists Death Cab for Cutie and Bob Mould. "It's just a reality and hopefully it goes back around."
On Wednesday, the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, Competition and the Internet held the first in a series of hearings on music licensing.
There the debate shifted yet again: Rather than considering the idea of reducing Internet radio's royalty obligations, many representatives questioned why broadcast radio wasn't paying any royalties at all.
In the long run, though, the biggest impact may be on music fans.
The artists, who have been sidelined by the legal battles while their income levels steadily fall, may lose patience with the business altogether, leaving everyone with less music to fight over.
"If musicians are never going to share equally in revenue streams from these companies, why would they continue to make music?" Allen asked.
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That has ALWAYS been the case. "The Man" has been a big rip off since day one. I'm not saying it's right (it isn't), but it's NOTHING NEW. Back in the mid-late 70's I was a college dj & interviewed a number of recording artists. The #1 topic they brought up? How most artists felt horribly ripped off by both the record companies & their management companies.
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I'm just not sure that what Pandora offers is analogous to radio, either satellite or terrestrial, thus entitling them to pay the same lower royalty rate. Radio offers listeners only three options: an on/off switch, a volume knob, and (maybe) competing stations. If people are attracted to what Pandora offers as being an improvement on what radio offers--if users enjoy a greater ability to decide what they can and cannot hear on Pandora--that by itself should justify Pandora having to pay a higher royalty rate.
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I would GUESS the sound quality is significantly below that of radio, though I don't know Pandoras's bit rate for certain. Analog (old style) radio is probably 3/4 of cd quality. Is Pandora even top notch mp3 quality (300+ kbs)?
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I doubt the revenue stream for terrestrial radio has the potential that Pandora has though. I don't know that many people that listen to radio that actually care about what they're listening to, and even 20 years ago when my father ran a place that bought advertising, the radio stations were hurting for buyers.
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Watching The Larry Kudlow show tonight with John Popper of the Blue's Traveller's and the discussion was about Pandora's payout of $0.08 per 1000 plays and Popper's acknowledges he's OK with that. He says musician's make most of their money on tour so things like Pandora are simply exposure vehicles.
Not sure I agree with that, the payout that is. $0.08 is definitely on the cheap for a profit bearing corporations.
Consent degrees for licensing were conceived in 1941 and obviously before any of the media platforms distributions of today. Therefore musician's such as Burt Bacharach has called for that this ruling to be revised.
He also stated in response to Burt Bacharach comments that he was in time where he got "lucky" that a songwriter can have other people do his songs. Bacharach "lucky", sorry John, Bacharach (and Hal David) were one of the best songwriters in the past century in my book.
I get Poppers assertion though, in that musicians should earn their income from touring and not to count on royalties BUT unfair profiteering also requires a fairness in sharing as well.
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Pandora's business model doesn't allow folks to just click and hear a particular song. It's more like targeted radio where you could listen for hours and a particular track might only play once if at all. Popper is correct that Pandora is an exposure vehicle in the same way radio is an exposure vehicle. If you're lucky, you get to hear the song you want while at the same time hearing a lot of other similar songs. Conversely, go to youtube and you get that song anytime you want if someone has bothered uploading it. I have no problems with the way Pandora works or the amount it pays in royalties and wouldn't want any changes that would force it out of business, as it is not exactly raking in the cash as it is.
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Back in September, Representative Mel Watt of North Carolina created a bill called the "Free Market Royalty Act", which would eliminate the compulsory license created by Congress back in 1995, while extending the performance right in sound recordings to include terrestrial radio. I'm not much of a legislative expert, but the bill is said to have only a 1% change of becoming enacted https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/ ... 9#overview I'm not sure whether getting rid of the statutory license (which essentially means that Pandora does not need to (a) get permission from a copyright holder to broadcast his or her music and (b) negotiate a royalty agreement with that copyright holder) is a good idea or a bad idea, but I am sort of surprised that the "free and open internet" bloggers didn't jump all over it.
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The music industry has opened a new front in its war against Pandora Media: royalties for songs made before 1972.
On Thursday, several major record companies filed a lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan, accusing Pandora of violating the state’s common-law copyright protections by using recordings of older songs without permission. Along with a string of cases filed last year against Sirius XM Radio, the suit highlights an obscure legal issue that has come to the fore with the rise of streaming music online: that recordings made before Feb. 15, 1972, are not subject to federal copyright protection and may be missing out on tens of millions of dollars in royalties, according to industry estimates.
In the suit, the three big labels, Sony, Universal and Warner Music, along with ABKCO, an independent label that controls the rights to many early songs by the Rolling Stones, accuse Pandora of playing old songs without licenses. Like the suits last year against Sirius XM — the band the Turtles (“Happy Together”) acted first, with a $100 million class-action suit, and the labels followed with their own complaint — the case argues that even though songs from before 1972 are not under federal copyright, Pandora should have to get permission to use them under state law.
“This case presents a classic attempt by Pandora to reap where it has not sown,” the labels say in the suit. “Pandora appropriates plaintiffs’ valuable and unique property, violates New York law and engages in common law copyright infringement and misappropriation and unfair competition.”
María Elena Holly, the widow of Buddy Holly, said in a statement circulated by the Recording Industry Association of America, which coordinated the suit: “Just because Buddy and the other ’50s musicians recorded songs before 1972 doesn’t mean their songs have no value. These companies’ failure to pay the rock ’n’ roll pioneers is an injustice and it needs to change.”
The suit includes a long appendix of songs by major acts from the 1940s to the early ’70s like the Beatles, Hank Williams, Aretha Franklin, Bob Dylan, James Brown and the Rolling Stones.
A Pandora representative said the company was confident in its legal position and looked forward to a quick resolution of the matter.
Under federal copyright law, online and satellite radio services like Pandora and Sirius XM must get licenses to use recordings made after 1972, so both companies pay hundreds of millions of dollars for these recordings. Those licenses and payments are usually administered through SoundExchange, a nonprofit royalty organization that is an offshoot of the Recording Industry Association. Recordings made before 1972 do not have federal copyright protection, but are covered by a patchwork of state laws.
Traditional radio stations have a longstanding exemption from paying for recordings, although all kinds of radio outlets — Internet, satellite and old-fashioned AM/FM — pay separate songwriting royalties to music publishers. (In the music world’s complex licensing structure, “on demand” services like Spotify and Rhapsody, which let users pick exactly what songs to listen to, negotiate with record companies directly for a different kind of license, and do not face the same issue with pre-1972 recordings.)
But whether Pandora, Sirius XM and similar services need licenses under state law for the older recordings is unclear, and the current wave of lawsuits represents a concerted effort by the music industry to establish what could be a major source of revenue in the future.
Pandora, with more than 70 million regular users, and Sirius XM, with about 26 million subscribers, are two of the most popular listening services, and their contributions represent most of the $656 million in performance royalties collected by SoundExchange last year.
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The music industry has opened a new front in its war against Pandora Media: royalties for songs made before 1972.
On Thursday, several major record companies filed a lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan, accusing Pandora of violating the state’s common-law copyright protections by using recordings of older songs without permission. Along with a string of cases filed last year against Sirius XM Radio, the suit highlights an obscure legal issue that has come to the fore with the rise of streaming music online: that recordings made before Feb. 15, 1972, are not subject to federal copyright protection and may be missing out on tens of millions of dollars in royalties, according to industry estimates.
In the suit, the three big labels, Sony, Universal and Warner Music, along with ABKCO, an independent label that controls the rights to many early songs by the Rolling Stones, accuse Pandora of playing old songs without licenses. Like the suits last year against Sirius XM — the band the Turtles (“Happy Together”) acted first, with a $100 million class-action suit, and the labels followed with their own complaint — the case argues that even though songs from before 1972 are not under federal copyright, Pandora should have to get permission to use them under state law.
“This case presents a classic attempt by Pandora to reap where it has not sown,” the labels say in the suit. “Pandora appropriates plaintiffs’ valuable and unique property, violates New York law and engages in common law copyright infringement and misappropriation and unfair competition.”
María Elena Holly, the widow of Buddy Holly, said in a statement circulated by the Recording Industry Association of America, which coordinated the suit: “Just because Buddy and the other ’50s musicians recorded songs before 1972 doesn’t mean their songs have no value. These companies’ failure to pay the rock ’n’ roll pioneers is an injustice and it needs to change.”
The suit includes a long appendix of songs by major acts from the 1940s to the early ’70s like the Beatles, Hank Williams, Aretha Franklin, Bob Dylan, James Brown and the Rolling Stones.
A Pandora representative said the company was confident in its legal position and looked forward to a quick resolution of the matter.
Under federal copyright law, online and satellite radio services like Pandora and Sirius XM must get licenses to use recordings made after 1972, so both companies pay hundreds of millions of dollars for these recordings. Those licenses and payments are usually administered through SoundExchange, a nonprofit royalty organization that is an offshoot of the Recording Industry Association. Recordings made before 1972 do not have federal copyright protection, but are covered by a patchwork of state laws.
Traditional radio stations have a longstanding exemption from paying for recordings, although all kinds of radio outlets — Internet, satellite and old-fashioned AM/FM — pay separate songwriting royalties to music publishers. (In the music world’s complex licensing structure, “on demand” services like Spotify and Rhapsody, which let users pick exactly what songs to listen to, negotiate with record companies directly for a different kind of license, and do not face the same issue with pre-1972 recordings.)
But whether Pandora, Sirius XM and similar services need licenses under state law for the older recordings is unclear, and the current wave of lawsuits represents a concerted effort by the music industry to establish what could be a major source of revenue in the future.
Pandora, with more than 70 million regular users, and Sirius XM, with about 26 million subscribers, are two of the most popular listening services, and their contributions represent most of the $656 million in performance royalties collected by SoundExchange last year.
I'm sure I've typed this elsewhere on these board as part of my never-ending duties as a industry shill F.U.D., but the RIAA has actually gone on record as opposing any measures to bring pre-1972 phonorecords under federal copyright protection--mostly because it creates a situation where they can engage in jurisdiction shopping.
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Radio is the best advertising these RIAA IDIOTS have ever had.
I don't use it anymore, but without Pandora I would never have discovered a lot of old Blues music which I have bought. I'd never have found all the newer bands I listen to and enjoy without YouTube and Pandora either. What is the first thing the RIAA does, every time? Go after YouTube and Pandora for "lost sales". I got news for 'ya, RIAA: no one solely listening to either of those and not buying was going to be buying anyway. Killing themselves with every takedown.
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Geff R. wrote:
Radio is the best advertising these RIAA IDIOTS have ever had.
I don't use it anymore, but without Pandora I would never have discovered a lot of old Blues music which I have bought. I'd never have found all the newer bands I listen to and enjoy without YouTube and Pandora either. What is the first thing the RIAA does, every time? Go after YouTube and Pandora for "lost sales". I got news for 'ya, RIAA: no one solely listening to either of those and not buying was going to be buying anyway. Killing themselves with every takedown.
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Geff R. wrote:
Radio is the best advertising these RIAA IDIOTS have ever had.
I don't use it anymore, but without Pandora I would never have discovered a lot of old Blues music which I have bought. I'd never have found all the newer bands I listen to and enjoy without YouTube and Pandora either. What is the first thing the RIAA does, every time? Go after YouTube and Pandora for "lost sales". I got news for 'ya, RIAA: no one solely listening to either of those and not buying was going to be buying anyway. Killing themselves with every takedown.
The lawsuit is over licensing, not "lost sales".
This one. I was being more broad. That said, it doesn't change the fact that they don't get it at all, and never will.
"Through the first three months of 2014, “Happy” was streamed 43 million times on Pandora...[but] brought in just $2,700 in publisher and songwriter royalties in the first quarter of this year...At current rates, Bandier said, one million plays of a song on Pandora typically translates to only approximately $60 in royalties, which then gets shared between the songwriters and publishers."
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