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 Post subject: X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HARDCOVER...in time for Christmas?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:41 am 
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X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HC
Written by ROGER STERN, TOM DEFALCO, & STAN LEE
Penciled by MARC SILVESTRI, KEITH POLLARD, & JACK KIRBY
When Magneto's on trial, he needs all the help he can get; he finds it in the remnants of his former fortress, Asteroid M! The X-Men aren't sure what his scheme is, but they're positive they don't want the Avengers and the Soviet Super-Soldiers to find out first! Multi-team warfare with the eyes of the world on all three! Also featuring the X-Men's fabulous first fight with the Avengers, to keep them from unleashing the legendary Lucifer! Collecting X-MEN VS. THE AVENGERS #1-4 and UNCANNY X-MEN #9. Rated A …$19.99 ISBN: 978-0-7851-3809-9

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 Post subject: X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HARDCOVER...in time for Christmas?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:14 pm 
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And another update...supposedly on sale this week -- 1/6/10.

Cross your fingers.

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 Post subject: X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HARDCOVER...in time for Christmas?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:51 pm 
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 Post subject: X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HARDCOVER...in time for Christmas?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:44 pm 
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Hey Roger,

I was on another forum and we were talking about the whole crazy thing about this series having its original ending (Magneto goes back to being a bad guy) nixed at the last second. Someone brought up a question that I had no answer to and couldn't find one online ... The way he phrased it:

"... my understanding was that in the Shooter days, if one office wanted to make any major changes to a character from another family, they needed to get special permission to do so from that character's normal editor. So how did this mini even get off the ground, if it was going to perform such a sweeping change to Magneto? Obviously Claremont and/or Nocenti wouldn't have agreed to it. Did the Avengers folks just start producing the thing unilaterally?"

Is the first part true, and if so, I am curious as well. Why was the plot approved initially and then changed later? What happened in between?

Apologies if this is a controversial topic in any way. I'm just curious.


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 Post subject: X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HARDCOVER...in time for Christmas?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:37 pm 
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Hey Roger,

I was on another forum and we were talking about the whole crazy thing about this series having its original ending (Magneto goes back to being a bad guy) nixed at the last second. Someone brought up a question that I had no answer to and couldn't find one online ... The way he phrased it:

"... my understanding was that in the Shooter days, if one office wanted to make any major changes to a character from another family, they needed to get special permission to do so from that character's normal editor. So how did this mini even get off the ground, if it was going to perform such a sweeping change to Magneto? Obviously Claremont and/or Nocenti wouldn't have agreed to it. Did the Avengers folks just start producing the thing unilaterally?"

Is the first part true, and if so, I am curious as well. Why was the plot approved initially and then changed later? What happened in between?

Apologies if this is a controversial topic in any way. I'm just curious.


Well, in the first place, I wasn't planning on making any sweeping change in Magneto. Mind you, I thought the idea of the X-Men (and their readers) so easily believing that Magneto was "a good guy now" and accepted as their leader/teacher in Xavier's absence was at the very least unwise. But that had become the status quo in the X-books, and it wasn't my place to monkey with it. I intended to just ignore it.

But then, the marketing folk decided that there should be an Avengers vs. X-Men miniseries (and a Fantastic Four vs. the Avengers) miniseries. And I was told that if I didn't write it, someone else would.

With that hanging over my head, I had to deal with the fact that a notorious international terrorist was in charge on the X-Men.

So, I had to come up with a way of allowing Magneto to go on doing what he was doing in the X-Men, without making the Avengers look foolish for letting him go.

I thought I had. I outlined the entire miniseries before I started, and got it approved. I wouldn't have even started on the project without that approval.

But then, after the final plot was written, everything was changed. And I never got an answer as to why.

So I passed on scripting the final issue.

If I'd known that I was soon going to be fired from the Avengers, I probably would have passed on the entire project.

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 Post subject: X-MEN VS. AVENGERS PREMIERE HARDCOVER...in time for Christmas?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:41 pm 
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Thanks for the reply. FWIW, I quite enjoy the first three issues of that series. (I just found a transcript of your original proposal online, which involved the Mandarin ... would've loved to have seen that version of the story.)

Apologies about the "sweeping changes" bit. I thought I had read somewhere that you'd intended the series to end with Magneto once again a villain, so that's where that came from.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Picked this up today... can't wait to dig into it!


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