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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:35 pm 
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I've been noticing BR prices on Amazon lately as a result of bringing in a few for my business. I've been aware pricing was dropping like flies, but it's dropped even more than I'd thought.

There are tons of BR titles on Amazon used in the $2-$3 dollar range!

Today I bought mint- used BR remake of Karate Kid on BR as a present for a friend at a Pawn shop. I paid their dealer discount price of $8.

Out of curiosity I looked it up on Amazon (it was an impulse buy). I could have bought it for less on Amazon NEW & DELIVERED.

Unreal. It looks like the studios have realized they have got to drastically lower BR pricing to prevent the format dying. From having done this research I am really glad that my bus has a very small BR inventory. From what I'm seeing, in some cases dvd is currently selling for more than BR, though dvd prices have also dropped big time.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:41 pm 
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Not surprising given the public's apparent preference for streaming media over a physical product like Blu-ray, a preference that has taken hold faster than I would have predicted. And for those still using physical media, there are still plenty who are happy with standard DVD presentation even on their HD televisions/monitors.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:55 pm 
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My personal plan is my next player will be a BLU, since they are dvd compatible. However, unless I decide i can afford an expensive audiophile quality player, I will wait until my Pioneer Universal player dies (I am so tempted to get an Oppo or a Nu-Force for the hi res audio, but I really can't afford it).

My plan at that time is to start buying BR, but it's unlikely especially with my eyesight that I would replace much of my dvd collection.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:06 pm 
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I've heard that virtually 50% of new video sales are Blu-ray. People have slowed down their buying of DVD and only the die hards' (who have switched to Blu) are still buying the physical format.

Blu-ray prices had to fall, they were too expensive for too long.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:09 pm 
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They cut their own throat by making the Blu $2-$5 more than the DVD. Dumb, dumb, dumb. We skipped over it completely in our household and went straight to streaming.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:25 pm 
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Steve wrote:
They cut their own throat by making the Blu $2-$5 more than the DVD. Dumb, dumb, dumb. We skipped over it completely in our household and went straight to streaming.

$2-$5?? Until fairly recently it was more like $12-$15 more!

Part of my point above is that most pawn shops still haven't caught on to the price crash; around here most used BR's are still $10 in pawn shops, while all but new releases, Criterions, etc are $2-$5 used on Amazon. I've even the the occasional Major studio title on Blu for $5 brand new in the big box stores (BB, Target, etc).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:25 pm 
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I've heard that virtually 50% of new video sales are Blu-ray. People have slowed down their buying of DVD and only the die hards' (who have switched to Blu) are still buying the physical format.

If you watch Amazon's sales charts, BDs have parity with DVDs and often outsell them. The format is no danger. Rock-bottom prices on some titles are no different from the prices found for third party DVDs. Only collectibles and imports really command "good" prices anymore ... the competition has squashed everything else flat. Which I appreciate as a consumer (although I don't want Geff to go hungry).

I would love to see much more extensive use made of Blu-ray for audio.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:32 pm 
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Geff R. wrote:
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They cut their own throat by making the Blu $2-$5 more than the DVD. Dumb, dumb, dumb. We skipped over it completely in our household and went straight to streaming.

$2-$5?? Until fairly recently it was more like $12-$15 more!

Part of my point above is that most pawn shops still haven't caught on to the price crash; around here most used BR's are still $10 in pawn shops, while all but new releases, Criterions, etc are $2-$5 used on Amazon. I've even the the occasional Major studio title on Blu for $5 brand new in the big box stores (BB, Target, etc).


Yes, $12-15 more for the Blu was silly. Especially since even today, most people don't have the TVs or sound systems to even notice much of a difference. Does Blu-Ray sound any different than DVD coming out of a TV speaker?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:40 pm 
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Do you still have to hook a Blu-Ray player up to the internet in order to get it to work?


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 Post subject: Extreme Blu-Ray Price Drops
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:43 pm 
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Linda wrote:

I would love to see much more extensive use made of Blu-ray for audio.


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Especially since even today, most people don't have the TVs or sound systems to even notice much of a difference. Does Blu-Ray sound any different than DVD coming out of a TV speaker?


Both of your points illustrate my primary issue with changing to Blu. Steve, no, out of a TV speaker you likely won't hear ANY difference.

Even out of my high end stereo as I have learned with SACD & DVD-a, just like with a cd player the BR player's electronics (BOTH analog & digital sections) & engineering make a huge difference; which is why I'm coming to the conclusion that to get audio that rivals my aging high end cd rig, I'll need to spend AT LEAST $1,000 & as I haven't had a chance to personally audition either the Oppo 95 or the Nu Force modified Oppo 93, I have no real clue if $1k is even enough.

Qualifier: to someone who has a $50-$300 cd player, there's a reasonable chance that an $80 Blu player may sound better.

But as I've learned over the years, even with old formats like vinyl & Cassette, what you pay often is congruent to the sound you get! One of the reasons vinyl died so easily is probably less than 1% of the USA/Canada/UK population has ever heard a truly high quality turntable/cartridge combination. It makes a HUGE difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:45 pm 
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AMW wrote:
Do you still have to hook a Blu-Ray player up to the internet in order to get it to work?


Sometimes. Newer discs often require a firmware upgrade.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:46 pm 
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Do you still have to hook a Blu-Ray player up to the internet in order to get it to work?

No, only if you buy a disc that's had a new copy guard key your player can't read, but that can usually be solved with an official & legal firmware download to a burned disc if you don't wish to connect to the internet.

The changing copyguard keys & requirement for HDMI for the audio are 2 of BR's biggest drawbacks, it doesn't have any impact on large bootleggers but it can mess with you & I big time.

There is no way in hell i would ever connect a player to the internet; streaming may be great but I am not willing to have the MPAA monitor what I'm playing; &/or cripple my player.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:48 pm 
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I seriously doubt the MPAA can initiate remote shutdown of someone's Blu-Ray player or if they can see what disc you're watching. That's what firewalls are for.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:54 pm 
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I seriously doubt the MPAA can initiate remote shutdown of someone's Blu-Ray player or if they can see what disc you're watching. That's what firewalls are for.

Do the players come with Firewalls? Nature of the beast allows the manufacturer or the MPAA or whoever the player designates to connect directly to the player. Remember all the RIAA law suits........ I don't like Big Brother at all. I admit MPAA monitoring would not likely harm someone who only played USA manufactured BR's they purchased or rented, but it rubs me the wrong way....... BIG TIME.

That's why I suggest download & burn firmware updates to a disc rather than direct connect.

Mind you, this only matters if you want to play burned discs, &/or discs from other "regions" as i would.

The entire region thing is such bs. It ended up being easy to beat with dvd, but it's been tougher with Blu; my understanding is to make a B LU player Region Free it often requires soldering in an extra circuit board.

My belief/understanding is that the whole "region" crap thing came from the record companies losing USA law suits years ago when they tried to ban imported records & cd's. & on the video side at least in the USA PAL to NTSC conversion was very uncommon in the VHS era (though I'm told NTSC to PAL converting VCR's were common in Europe).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:56 pm 
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Blu-ray is really only for those with home theaters that have large HDTV's. Hence why it hasn't taken off like DVD did.

For those who watch TV on an older set or under 40", Blu-ray is a non-factor.

btw....I can't believe Bose is now selling a TV. Talk about over priced crap.

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 Post subject: Extreme Blu-Ray Price Drops
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:00 am 
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JohnG wrote:
Blu-ray is really only for those with home theaters that have large HDTV's. Hence why it hasn't taken off like DVD did.

For those who watch TV on an older set or under 40", Blu-ray is a non-factor.


I agree. My recent interest is because of the buzz about the audio quality of the Oppo 95 & Nu Force 93 @ $999 & $899 respectively, IF they're as good as some say, I would be all hot & bothered! On the other hand, while not well publicized there are some who seem to feel the Oppo's are overrated audio wise & can sound bright. I have personally never heard one. Since they're only sold by mail order I'm waiting for someone I trust like Robert Harley or Corey Greenberg to review one.

Wes Phillips did speak very highly of the $1400 Nu Force cd player.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:03 am 
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I've heard that virtually 50% of new video sales are Blu-ray. People have slowed down their buying of DVD and only the die hards' (who have switched to Blu) are still buying the physical format.

If you watch Amazon's sales charts, BDs have parity with DVDs and often outsell them. The format is no danger. Rock-bottom prices on some titles are no different from the prices found for third party DVDs. Only collectibles and imports really command "good" prices anymore ... the competition has squashed everything else flat. Which I appreciate as a consumer (although I don't want Geff to go hungry).

I would love to see much more extensive use made of Blu-ray for audio.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:52 pm 
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I seriously doubt the MPAA can initiate remote shutdown of someone's Blu-Ray player or if they can see what disc you're watching. That's what firewalls are for.


You might be surprised. How do you think they know what people are watching on Tivo? They like to tell you what you get by hooking up to the Internet - guide updates, Blu-Ray Live, firmware updates - but they never want to tell you what THEY'RE getting.

Every now and then, you'll see a news story pop up about how people are buying the hot new Blu-Ray release only to find out it won't play because you need an updated security code. So how hard do you think it would be to disable an existing code? I'm betting it's not that hard, so it's not beyond comprehension that they could disable old codes because they were 'broken' and now copies are being pirated. No thanks - DVD is plenty good for me. I have a handful of Blu-Rays that had the DVD combo deal, but I don't see myself converting to BR.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:34 pm 
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DVD is ok but i do see degradation of the picture when I play a DVD instead of a Blu-ray. Blu is 10X better video wise than DVD. Especially with a large TV. The drop in picture quality is quite high.

I bought a HDTV to watch HD so Blu for me is the way to go. DVD is almost analog in comparison.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:51 pm 
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DVD is ok but i do see degradation of the picture when I play a DVD instead of a Blu-ray. Blu is 10X better video wise than DVD. Especially with a large TV. The drop in picture quality is quite high.

I bought a HDTV to watch HD so Blu for me is the way to go. DVD is almost analog in comparison.


John, I hear your point & agree with it, but bad analogy; analog done right has more musical content that cd due to the red book sampling rate being set to low.

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Analog- good for music. Analog- bad for video. No one missed those tube TV's of old. Remember when they had to warm up before they'd work. :)

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The NPD Group: Consumers Still Positive on Blu-ray

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The NPD Group, a leading market research company, today announced that there has recently been significant and healthy growth in the purchase and use of Blu-ray Disc set top boxes and Blu-ray video content in the U.S. Based on information from NPD’s latest update to the “Entertainment Trends in America” report, 15 percent of U.S. consumers reported using a Blu-ray player in the prior six months in March 2011, up from 9 percent the prior year. By way of comparison, 57 percent of U.S. consumers reported using a standard DVD player in 2010, which is unchanged from 2009. According to NPD’s “Blu-ray Disc Report," 49 percent of PS3 owners are viewing Blu-ray movies on their game consoles at least once a month, which is also adding to the base of physical-disc users. Year-over-year sales of set-top Blu-ray player units increased 16 percent.

According to NPD’s “Blu-ray Disc Report,” there is evidence that Blu-ray is beginning to offset the loss of DVD customers. NPD estimates there are currently 116 million physical disc buyers in the US, which is down from 128 million in 2009; however, the nearly 26 million Blu-ray buyers helped keep that number from sliding further. Blu-ray buyers are also beginning to buy more discs than they did in 2009 or 2010, including both new releases and older catalog content.

“Because fewer hot titles came out of the theatres in time for first quarter release, the physical video-disc market was a bit disappointing -- especially coming off of a good first quarter last year; but consumer response to the Blu-ray format remains strongly positive, said Russ Crupnick, entertainment industry analyst for NPD. “While Blu-ray may not be the replacement for DVD that many once hoped for, it is certainly adding strength to the physical video-disc market. This added stability is helping to extend the life of discs, even as digital options gain in popularity.”

Consumer feedback from NPD’s video research points to recognition of Blu-ray’s technology advantages, increasing value proposition, and benefits from packaging (e.g., combo packs that offer a DVD, Blu-ray and Digital Copy). Eight out of 10 current and prospective owners of Blu-ray set top boxes cite high definition quality and technology as the reason they purchased, or intend to purchase, a Blu-ray player.

Consumers are also noticing the better pricing and value of Blu-ray, as prices of hardware have declined. Word of mouth is helping grow the Blu-ray customer base, as well. Thirty-six percent of consumers who intend to buy a player were influenced by the product recommendations of friends and family members.

“It wasn’t too long ago that most consumers felt DVD was ‘good enough,’ and while it’s true DVD is a terrific format, more consumers are now recognizing that Blu-ray does indeed deliver a superior experience,” said Crupnick. “Certainly the fact that prices are now within the budgetary range acceptable to rank-and-file consumers is helping bolster the overall value proposition of the Blu-ray format.”

In addition to the positive feedback on Blu-ray discs, NPD notes that digital services have also driven increased interest in Blu-ray players. In fact 50 percent of consumers who intend to buy Blu-ray set-top players in the next six months cited the desire to use available subscription video download services as a primary reason.

“As more and more buyers make the decision to obtain the superior picture and sound technology of Blu-ray, there is also more awareness that the same player that delivers that experience can also provide access to digital services that are gaining the attention of American consumers,” Crupnick said.

Data note: Information in this press release was derived from two online consumer tracking studies conducted in 2011: “Entertainment Trends in America” and “Blu-ray Disc Report.” Final data for the nationally representative sample in the “Blu-ray Report” was weighted to represent the U.S. population of adults age 18 and older. Information in “Entertainment Trends in America” report represents the U.S. population age 13 and older.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/6/prweb8546314.htm

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