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 Post subject: So, why is Captain America a "DC character" anyway?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:00 pm 
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What's the skinny?

I mena, he could be, but what makes him so much more "DC" than Marvel anyway?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:03 pm 
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I have no idea what people mean when they say that. I guess that he is missing the "Tragic Flaw" that was so prevalent in early marvel?
Except that isn't true. He is (well was, I guess) haunted by the death of Bucky just like Spider-Man and Uncle Ben.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:12 pm 
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Yes, but unlike Ben's death, Bucky's death wasn't an integral part of his character; he was Cap before he died and he still was when he returned.

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 Post subject: So, why is Captain America a "DC character" anyway?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:13 pm 
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Yes, but unlike Ben's death, Bucky's death wasn't an integral part of his character; he was Cap before he died and he still was when he returned.


But since Cap kinda died out after the Golden Age, wouldn't the new Cap be the successful, Marvel one? The man out of time angle is his whole deal now.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:15 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:20 pm 
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I tend to view it all as part of the same character, from the Golden Age to today. Was the man out of time concept really played up a lot? I've read few of the early Cap stories.

But I was commenting about the role of Bucky, specifically, which is indeed part of what made Cap a Marvel character, but it always felt forced to me, unlike Spider Man, Cap never needed tragedy to be a hero. He was a hero because he felt the need to do the right thing, and he was intrinsically courageous and brave; which is how I tend to view DC heroes, though another view would be that he is too plain and cornbread of a character, also like some see DC heroes. :D

Probably if my first exposure to the character had been those early stories I would view it differently, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:25 pm 
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I've never heard that stated before until just now. But if I were to hazard a guess, it's that he is more of an archetypal character and is more science-based than, say, Thor.

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Rafael wrote:
...which is indeed part of what made Cap a Marvel character, but it always felt forced to me, unlike Spider Man, Cap never needed tragedy to be a hero. He was a hero because he felt the need to do the right thing, and he was intrinsically courageous and brave; which is how I tend to view DC heroes...


Bucky's death was never a motivating factor for Cap's heroism.

No tragedy? Like the destruction of Kypton? The murder of the Waynes? The death of Mars?


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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Rafael wrote:
...which is indeed part of what made Cap a Marvel character, but it always felt forced to me, unlike Spider Man, Cap never needed tragedy to be a hero. He was a hero because he felt the need to do the right thing, and he was intrinsically courageous and brave; which is how I tend to view DC heroes...


Bucky's death was never a motivating factor for Cap's heroism.

No tragedy? Like the destruction of Kypton? The murder of the Waynes? The death of Mars?



Bucky's "death" was not a part of the character until he was resurrected 20 years later. So, I dunno. Maybe that was the part that "Marvel-ized" him. :)

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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Rafael wrote:
...which is indeed part of what made Cap a Marvel character, but it always felt forced to me, unlike Spider Man, Cap never needed tragedy to be a hero. He was a hero because he felt the need to do the right thing, and he was intrinsically courageous and brave; which is how I tend to view DC heroes...


Bucky's death was never a motivating factor for Cap's heroism.

No tragedy? Like the destruction of Kypton? The murder of the Waynes? The death of Mars?


I didn't say they didn't have tragedy in their stories, I said they didn't need it to become heroes. With exception of Batman of course.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:58 pm 
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The star on his chest makes him the second Starman.


Didn't Cap appear before Adventure Comics #61?

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Beachy wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
The star on his chest makes him the second Starman.


Didn't Cap appear before Adventure Comics #61?


We need a new mini-series explaining how Cap was the real first Starman.

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Beachy wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
The star on his chest makes him the second Starman.


Didn't Cap appear before Adventure Comics #61?


Jeff Bridges' grandfather was the first one.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:13 am 
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Rafael wrote:
I tend to view it all as part of the same character, from the Golden Age to today. Was the man out of time concept really played up a lot? I've read few of the early Cap stories.

But I was commenting about the role of Bucky, specifically, which is indeed part of what made Cap a Marvel character, but it always felt forced to me, unlike Spider Man, Cap never needed tragedy to be a hero. He was a hero because he felt the need to do the right thing, and he was intrinsically courageous and brave; which is how I tend to view DC heroes, though another view would be that he is too plain and cornbread of a character, also like some see DC heroes. :D

Probably if my first exposure to the character had been those early stories I would view it differently, though.

Yeah, the man out of time was a driving force of most of Cap's stories in the late 60s and 70s.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:07 am 
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I suppose the rationale is that Marvel heroes are either freaks/monsters/mutants or godlike figures from other planets/cultures/pantheons or morally ambiguous anti-heroes. Or if they aren't any of the above, Marvel heroes are at least flawed in some way, whether it's Spider-Man's insecurity/self doubt, Iron Man's heart, or Daredevil's blindness. Meanwhile DC heroes are just normal Americans who act heroically because it's the right thing to do. In that sense, one could say Captain America fits in more with the DC heroes.

It's kind of a superficial distinction though, since it's not hard to superimpose Marvelish flaws onto any character. Certainly Batman has been Marvelized extensively over the past 20-30 years, with the addition of all the psychological tics and obsessive traits that have been added to his character.


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