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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:34 pm 
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When Morrison first introduced the character, I figured (and also sort of hoped) that within a year or so it would be revealed that Damian isn't actually Bruce Wayne's biological son after all. And maybe that was even Morrison and DC's plan, I don't know.

But, it's been what, 4 years now, and it hasn't happened. Fandom seems to have come to love the little guy and he's even grown on me a bit as well. So, do y'all think Damian is part of the mythos for good now, along with Dick, Jason, and Tim? Or do you think within the next couple years it's all revealed as a trick by Talia/Ra's and Damian shuffles along out of the Bat-books?


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:37 pm 
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Yes, I think he's part of the mythos now. And frankly, I don't mind. Particularly since they've revealed he wasn't naturally conceived.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:38 pm 
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He goes back to 1987, but anything can be retconned.


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:40 pm 
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I forgot to mention what made me ask this, that being the episode of The Brave and the Bold that aired 2 Fridays ago and featured Damian, albeit as the natural son of Batman and Catwoman instead of the scientifically-created one by Batman and Talia.

Seems that if he's made it to other media, he's probably here for good.


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:48 pm 
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Just another illegitimate child of a superhero... which seems to be all the rage these days.

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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:49 pm 
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Darin wrote:
Just another illegitimate child of a superhero... dithpicable.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:56 pm 
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Uncle Twitchy wrote:
Darin wrote:
Just another illegitimate child of a superhero... dithpicable.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:57 pm 
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I KNOW, RIGHT?!? :lol:


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:26 pm 
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At least she didn't have an abortion!


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:48 pm 
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English Common Law placed harsh penalties on an illegitimate child, denying the child inheritance and property rights. Modern law has given the nonmarital child more rights but still differentiates between the marital and nonmarital status. In addition, a rising level of out-of-wedlock births in the United States has drawn the attention of politicians and policy makers.

Common Law and IllegitimacyA child was considered to be illegitimate at common law if the parents were not married to each other at the time of the child's birth even though the parents were married later.

There was a common-law presumption that a child born of a married woman was legitimate. This presumption was rebuttable, however, upon proof that her husband either was physically incapable of impregnating her or was absent at the time of conception. In addition, a child born of a marriage for which an Annulment was granted was considered illegitimate, since an annulled marriage is void retroactively from its beginning. Furthermore, if a man married a second time while still legally married to his first wife, a child born of the bigamous marriage was illegitimate


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:53 pm 
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Did Bruce legally adopt him yet? Or officially recognize him as his son? Or whatever one does...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:55 pm 
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I believe so. Where's Darragh when you need him to translate Grant Morrison into academese?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:00 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:01 pm 
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Junkie Luv wrote:
Did Bruce legally adopt him yet? Or officially recognize him as his son? Or whatever one does...


If Bruce Wayne walks into that adoption service one more time, they're going to look at him like he's Michael Vick trying to buy a puppy.


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Morrison had planned to kill him off after about 4 issues but changed his mind.


Also there are technically 2 of them,because his mother is creating another one since she has disowned Damian. The only people who consider him to be a real person appears to Bruce Wayne and company. Ra's al Ghul considers him to be little more than a construct.

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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:47 pm 
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Steve Kipling wrote:
Morrison had planned to kill him off after about 4 issues but changed his mind.


I did not know that. Interesting.

I don't think I've liked the way anyone else has written Damian other than Dini, though, and I'm guessing Streets of Gotham is headed for cancellation after his current arc concludes.


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:12 pm 
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Uncle Twitchy wrote:
Yes, I think he's part of the mythos now. And frankly, I don't mind. Particularly since they've revealed he wasn't naturally conceived.


Really? I thought he was conceived in the Son of the Demon OGN. The even reprinted it in regular comic format around the time Damien came about.


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:15 pm 
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Yeah, but Son of the Demon is non-canon. Morrison's said that was the inspiration for the character, but I thought they'd done something where he was created from Bruce and Talia's genetic material and then artificially aged -- magic comic book test tube baby. I could be mistaken, though -- or maybe that's what it used to be but they've changed it. Who the fuck knows?


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:18 pm 
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Professor Plum wrote:
I did not know that. Interesting.



"But yeah, to try and actually do something with Batman that felt significant, as you say, and I found that we were able to give him a son and that doesn't really mess up his mythology too much; it seemed like something Batman could have done and still stay true to the integrity of the character. I was quite surprised it worked, because we planned to kill Damian off in the first four issues, and then he seemed too full of potential.

Did you know you'd end up doing RIP and Batman and Robin and that he'd be working as Robin to Dick Grayson's Batman even then?

I knew I'd be doing RIP, but I kind of figured that was the end of the line for my story, and then the idea for Batman and Robin came along and the team just seemed such a great dynamic that I had to keep on with it. So no, it wasn't planned. As I mentioned, we originally intended to kill Damian and do a poignant four-part storyline where he starts out as a really bad kid and ends up as a good kid but dies tragically. Then I realized it was a waste of a good character. I think it was a good idea that we didn't kill him because he's become very popular.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/04/tr_ ... rrison.php


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:19 pm 
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Twitchy is correct. In SOTD Batman and Talia conceived a child naturally, but in current continuity Damian was created in a lab (although Bruce and Talia have still been intimate).

Regarding Son of the Demon, the Wikipedia entry for Damian has Morrison saying:

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"For a long time, [DC] said [Son of the Demon] was out of continuity. Now it's just kind of out of continuity. I didn't actually read it before I started writing this. I messed up a lot of details, like Batman wasn't drugged when he was having sex with Talia and it didn't take place in the desert. I was relying on shaky memories. But now we have this new "Superboy punch" continuity [after Superboy Prime attacked the fabric of the universe during Infinite Crisis]. People still don't realize how important that single punch was to cover everyone's ass."[8]


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 Post subject: Is Damian a permanent part of Batman lore now?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:23 pm 
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Grant Morrison wrote:
People still don't realize how important that single punch was to cover everyone's ass."

That's hilarious! :lol:


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