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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:32 pm 
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't want a bedroom poster of a 70-year-old musician "rocking out", I won't fit into the t-shirt with the same photo on it (not that I'd want to wear it in public anyway), I don't need a hexagonal box that unfolds into a scale model of the 108-room mansion he used to live in before the IRS caught up to him, I wouldn't know where to store the plastic replica of his dog, my eyesight is no longer good enough to read all 527 pages of the reprinted contract from his month-long residency at Wembley in 1972, and the DNA sample is frankly just going too far.

Again, maybe it's just me, but I'd MUCH prefer one additional disc of previously unreleased material to all of the above.

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Maybe it's just me, but I don't want a bedroom poster of a 70-year-old musician "rocking out", I won't fit into the t-shirt with the same photo on it (not that I'd want to wear it in public anyway), I don't need a hexagonal box that unfolds into a scale model of the 108-room mansion he used to live in before the IRS caught up to him, I wouldn't know where to store the plastic replica of his dog, my eyesight is no longer good enough to read all 527 pages of the reprinted contract from his month-long residency at Wembley in 1972, and the DNA sample is frankly just going too far.

Again, maybe it's just me, but I'd MUCH prefer one additional disc of previously unreleased material to all of the above.

Me too for sure. The record companies are banking on the fact that all those useless goodies can't be downloaded illegally.

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Linda, agree 100%. At this point, all I want are music CDs and a surround DVD where provided.

I would love to get the Bowie Station To Station surround mix, but I'm not paying big bucks for the super deluxe version just for the privilege.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:16 am 
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I agree also.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:18 am 
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linda,

excellent post.

and dano makes a great point also, those extras can't be downloaded on the internet. thing is , i seriously doubt their collectability.

many of oldtimers have found that the price of something is what the market dictates, not what is printed in a book.

how many who, beach boys and CSNY will be around in 20 years and better yrt, how many will want this stuff.

few bands, beatles and stones and elvis, will transcend the years and hold value, and even then it will be the very very rare items that do.(butcher cover).

and as stated above, people pick on townshend because he was the main face of the who, even though daltry was the singer, townshend was the guy, and he has used the CD era tremendously to his monetary advantage, to the point of fleecing the fans.


and we all know whether you want to admit or not, that the next reissue of "who's next" is only just around corner

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:35 am 
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I do think that the "deluxe edition" concept has kind of reached its nadir. For one thing, most of these reissues tend to be albums from a certain musical era, and targeting a particular demographic. What I wonder is how many of these packages attract new fans to this older music--I was saying in another thread, the upcoming "Live At Leeds" box would be a lot more enticing to collectors had not the 2001 "deluxe edition" ever appeared; but I've said before and I'll say again, "Live At Leeds" is also the one "classic" album that I believe deserves to still be heard and preserved in its original 6-song, unexpanded glory.

Lately, I've been picking up Elvis Presley FTD discs from the http://www.shopelvis.com website. These sets are oddly packaged in these cardboard tri-fold...um....things...but they do contain booklets with fairly extensive recording session notes and the inevitable Elvis photos. One "classic album" I really enjoyed was the "That's The Way It Is" set; I'd passed on previous deluxe incarnations of the album because just everthing from the original album was on the 70's box set, but version gathered together the original album, a scattering of live material not on the original album, plus another hour and a half of studio outtakes. It's fascinating to hear an early version of "Patch It Up", then to hear Presley direct the musicians into tightening the arrangement, and then at one point muff the lyrics and scream "God-dammit-mother-fuck!"--the type of emoting Elvis was hard-pressed to do in any of his movies. On the other hand, there is a deluxe edition of the "Double Trouble" soundtrack that is for hardcore Elvis collectors only--even in the outtakes, Elvis seems so disinterested in the material, it's like he's barely even there. Fascinating, but for all the wrong reasons. Still, I bought one...

I personally like the conceit behind such sets as the recent "Teargarden By Kaleidyscope" disc from Billy Corgan. The listener has a choice--he or she may download the four songs for free, or purchase them on a CD packaged in a wooden box that also contains a small marble...thingy...and a green 45. It's like saying--you wanted physical product? Here it is...

At the same time, however, I'm personally bored by collections of coffee table books comtaining countless black-and-white photos of rock artists when they were young. I've also stopped reading biographies and autobiographies of these people for no better reason than I've usually discovered that as human beings, they tend to be far less intersting than their music. I'm also fairly indifferent to the whole gold disc thing--is it me, or do those sets seem to attract music snobs?

If I've learned anything from these boards, it's that people are willing to forgive anything a musician does so long as they like that person's music. When some people suggested that it was greedy of the Beatles to charge a couple of hundred dollars for collectors to finally have the opportunity to hear the mono "White Album", indignant Beatles fans insisted that this was an investment they were willing to make to an extent that they were cursing Amazon for not grabbing the money from their credit card quickly enough. And, to their credit (and my amazement), it would seem that just about all who bought that Mono box are pleased with their purchase--their only complaint seemed to be that the set wasn't "numbered" and "limited". I bought both of the expanded editions of "Who's Next" and loved them both; at the same time, I'd just as soon wipe my ass on any deluxe version of "Rumours". Does this mean that I can state, with any authority, that Stevie Nicks is greedier than Pete Townshend? Of course not. But can you guess which of those two artists I'd rather take a gratuitous shot at? Give yourself a point if your answer is "the washed-up billygoat".

The problem isn't with the artists, or even with the companies producing these sets. The problem is us. We buy these sets, or stand back, aghast, as other people buy them. Are these super-sized set a sign that the well has gone dry? Who knows--in Bowie's case, the man is 63 years old and had a heart attack a few years back. Believe it or not, most ordinary human beings tend to retire in the face of such issues. Again--is it "greed" that would cause such a person to attempt to keep an incoming revenue stream pumping?

OK, enough of my babble, I've finished my coffee.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:15 pm 
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older bands are losing income, probably at mush faster rate than any of us realize. coupled with the fact that their muses have long since left them.

they have had a pretty much constant money stream for more than 30+ years and, if not wisely invested, have seen that also shrink.

the CD era was a boost in that income. now that is over too, unless they re-re-re-release their catalog stuff.

AMW makes a valid point about the bands we love, would i buy another "couch album" by CSN if they added 4 more songs, most likely i would. would i be pissed about it, damn right.

it is sad to see our heroes fade away, very sad.

and today's music is so bad, very bad.

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Renny wrote:
older bands are losing income, probably at mush faster rate than any of us realize. coupled with the fact that their muses have long since left them.

they have had a pretty much constant money stream for more than 30+ years and, if not wisely invested, have seen that also shrink.

the CD era was a boost in that income. now that is over too, unless they re-re-re-release their catalog stuff.

AMW makes a valid point about the bands we love, would i buy another "couch album" by CSN if they added 4 more songs, most likely i would. would i be pissed about it, damn right.

it is sad to see our heroes fade away, very sad.

and today's music is so bad, very bad.


I agree with Linda-who the hell wants a Wham t-shirt, a crappy nude Sinatra poster, a Falco thong, a Who empty gin bottle, a rare Japanese only 9 Lives can of Tuna And Egg (my cats' favorite flavor) with Debbie Gibson on it and all this other crap?
The music and really only worthy remastering, repackaging and bonus tracks (not crap demos) are what get me interested.
I'll buy a straight remaster if something is done presentation-wise and sonically to make it worthwhile. I certainly don't need a full disc of demos-demos are just that-for demonstration. Often, though not always they suck and sound poor.

I do disagree wholeheartedly with Renny about today's music. I think there are hundreds of amazing acts out there-just because one isn't listening to it, doesn't mean it's not good.

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I do disagree wholeheartedly with Renny about today's music. I think there are hundreds of amazing acts out there-just because one isn't listening to it, doesn't mean it's not good.


This.

There are a lot of really good acts out there, they're just harder to find because the usual outlets where we used to be able to discover new (to us) acts have deteriorated. Terrestrial radio plays the same crap over and over and over (I've officially heard "The Ballad Of Curtis Lowe" more than enough times to cover the rest of my lifetime). MTV doesn't even play that much crap. Satellite radio, while newer, has gone downhill since the Sirius-XM merger - the playlists are narrower and they repeat some artists WAY TOO MUCH (XM = eXcessive Metallica).

This sort of ties into the whole B&M vs. online buying argument, but while it's easier on one hand to find music online, there's so much of it that it's hard to narrow it down and find the stuff that really speaks to you.

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Some of us (I sadly include myself in this statement) of my generation seem to have difficulty being open to new forms of music & to a lesser degree also to new artists as we age. I'm in my early 50's.

I don't blame that for my dislike of Rap, though; I was first exposed to rap in the early 80's & it was hate at first listen!

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I do disagree wholeheartedly with Renny about today's music. I think there are hundreds of amazing acts out there-just because one isn't listening to it, doesn't mean it's not good.



where does one go to hear those amazing acts?

my wife has sirius, and when i surf all the new stuff i hear sounds exactly like nickelback.

i do like ray lamontange, (is he new?) but that's about it.

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Renny wrote:
Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I do disagree wholeheartedly with Renny about today's music. I think there are hundreds of amazing acts out there-just because one isn't listening to it, doesn't mean it's not good.

where does one go to hear those amazing acts?

my wife has sirius, and when i surf all the new stuff i hear sounds exactly like nickelback.

i do like ray lamontange, (is he new?) but that's about it.

Find one current band you like at MySpace, and start clicking through to the bands that are listed as their friends. This works at YouTube as well. People in this forum will put you onto new bands too. Don't just read the threads for artists you already know, check out the ones you're not familiar with. I've also gotten good recommendations from posts in the fan forums of bands I like ... similar tastes and all.

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All new music sucks, I'm old and everything is blah, blah, blah.

Okay, maybe there is some good new music -- but it's not on "terrestrial" radio and probably does need to be sought out.

And rap and hip hop generally sucks, IMO. It's not music to me. I actually feel sorry for the generation that thinks P.Diddley and Kanye West are "artists."

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I actually feel sorry for the generation that thinks P.Diddley and Kanye West are "artists."

And so sayeth the forum's chief backer of proper "artists" like the Bay City Rollers... :lol:


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The Rollers could at least write their own songs and play their instruments. I'd like to see these rip-off sample artists claim to do the same. Guess what? They can't.

Rap and hip hop is just rhyming and a lot of profanity over sampled and/or stolen music and what's sad is that the current generation doesn't know or care where the music is sourced from.

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The Rollers could at least write their own songs and play their instruments. I'd like to see these rip-off sample artists claim to do the same. Guess what? They can't.

Rap and hip hop is just rhyming and a lot of profanity over sampled and/or stolen music and what's sad is that the current generation doesn't know or care where the music is sourced from.

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Dr. Chris Evil wrote:
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Worst sig ever. :ohno:


Yes, by all means, start taking me seriously now! :roll:

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We're starting to see a trend of box sets which include vinyl versions of the CD contents, but there's no equivalent CD-only package. I know we have some vinyl collectors here, but how do other ICErs feel about being "forced" to accept the vinyl in order to get the CDs?

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In most cases,charging extra for vinyl would prevent me from purchasing.

I actually recognize that vinyl can still be superior to cd, but:

1. I rarely have the time to sit in front of the record player
2. I am NOT willing to spend the extra $'s. The recent Bowie S2S is a good example, I would have spent an extra $20 or so for the extra discs, but no way in hades am I spending $125 for the vinyl. So they got $25 from me instead of $50.

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Linda wrote:
We're starting to see a trend of box sets which include vinyl versions of the CD contents, but there's no equivalent CD-only package. I know we have some vinyl collectors here, but how do other ICErs feel about being "forced" to accept the vinyl in order to get the CDs?



I will not order any special editions that requires purchasing vinyl that I'll never listen to.

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