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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:17 pm |
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 Quote: GB: Miller’s work was an absolute pivot point in comics history and pushed the medium into new pop-culture conversations, but, over the years, other writers and artists grabbed the most superficial aspects of Miller’s Batman. Often, they reduced the character to sputtering rage and ultra-violence.
GM: There was a lot of that. Batman’s paranoia and alienation and rage became foreground, but I guess these things have to happen. People take a direction to the limit and the limit reveals the character kind of trapped in a box. So, yeah, I think you’re right. I mean, there was a lot of great Batman work being done – there always has been – but there was a tendency to push the character into a very dark place where I think he didn’t entirely belong. There’s a lot more to a man like that, if you want to try to take it seriously and imagine what he would be like. There was almost a blue-collar Batman that was being presented. This guy who is very singular and thuggish in his motivations and I thought we had to kind of bring back an aristocratic seeker, the guy who has traveled the world and seen and done everything. That has a lot more story potential.
GB: When I was young, I adored the version of Batman by Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers . He wasn't a chipper guy, by any means, but he seemed to be driven more by the light of intellect than the heat of rage. And he was a citizen of the world, too.
GM: Yeah, very much. He kind of dealt with his trauma. A lot of the post-Miller stuff was all about trauma and re-living the trauma. I kind felt like he got over a lot of it by being Batman. If he hadn’t been Batman he would have been insane... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocom ... ison-.html
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:43 pm |
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:10 pm |
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:13 pm |
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I will wait for Rafael's level-headed judgment as to whether I should buy this.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:20 pm |
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I agree with all of Grants comments. Does anyone have a page of the Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers Batman that he mentioned? Just want to get a feel for what he's talking about here.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:58 pm |
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Li'l Jay wrote: I will wait for Rafael's level-headed judgment as to whether I should buy this. Rafael is never level-headed when it comes to Grant Morrison. Oh damn. I went there.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:35 pm |
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Hey!!!!
Let it be known that I judge Grant Morrison's work more harshly than every other writer around.
It's not my fault he always pass with flying awesomeness.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:40 am |
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Rafael wrote: Hey!!!!
Let it be known that I judge Grant Morrison's work more harshly than every other writer around.
It's not my fault he always pass with flying awesomeness. Then whose fault is it!?!?!? (John Byrne's?)
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:45 am |
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He lowers the standards for everyone else.
But since awesomesauce flows in Morrison's veins, he doesn't even need that.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:41 am |
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I knew I could count on Rafael to give this the strict criticism it deserves.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:17 am |
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What's with DC and their belt buckles lately?
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:18 am |
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Li'l Jay wrote: I knew I could count on Rafael to give this the strict criticism it deserves. It still isn't out, but when it is, it will renew my hopes and dreams about comics, heralding a new golden age.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:07 am |
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That's a very Tim-Sale-like Batman from David Finch.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:04 pm |
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:05 pm |
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It's Bats Incorporated! B! A! T! S! Yeah!
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:27 pm |
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So, according to the interview above the problem is that Miller's imitators (vast hordes of them, let it be noted) only took the "superficials" of his work--things like "sputtering rage and ultraviolence". That's only the "superficials" of his work? Rage and violence have always seemed to me pretty much all there is to Miller's work, unless you count the corrosive hard-boiled cynicism. Which has also been much imitated.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:33 pm |
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Nice codpiece.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:51 pm |
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That meddlin kid wrote: So, according to the interview above the problem is that Miller's imitators (vast hordes of them, let it be noted) only took the "superficials" of his work--things like "sputtering rage and ultraviolence". That's only the "superficials" of his work? Rage and violence have always seemed to me pretty much all there is to Miller's work, unless you count the corrosive hard-boiled cynicism. Which has also been much imitated. I think that's true now, but not at all true of his Dark Knight Returns and Daredevil.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:41 pm |
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If this is the excuse they need to shift the tone of the series it's fine by me.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:58 am |
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This will be like the cigarette after the orgasmic conclusion of Return of Bruce Wayne/Batman and Robin.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:35 pm |
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Read the first issue of this. Underwhelming. I'll see how things go next month.
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Post subject: Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:07 pm |
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Read the first issue. Entertaining, but I wasn't blown away. Still, it's a solid Batman comic that doesn't read like any of the others, so I'll stay through the first arc, at least.
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