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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:53 pm |
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Figured I'd start an on-going thread about the best band ever on this useless planet! And, thus, I am dismayed that the band name continues to be tainted. There is some legit cred to this lineup w/ Gorham, Downey and Wharton (I'm surprised both Brian and Darren are back), plus having Viv Campbell, an awesome Irish guitarist is also good, but this isn't Thin Lizzy without Phil and never will be. Ricky Warwick? I'll give him a shot as The Almighty were a decent band, but couldn't they call themselves Jailbreak or something? Also, why 2011? What are they waiting for??? From Anti-Music.com:
Former Almighty frontman Ricky Warwick and Def Leppard guitarist Viv Campbell have joined the 2011 lineup of Thin Lizzy.
The band, once led by Phil Lynott, now features Warwick on vocals and guitar, Campbell on guitar, Lynott-era guitarist Scott Gorham and keyboardist Darren Wharton, Marco Mendoza on bass and founding member Brian Downey on drums.
They'll play a memorial show on June 4 in Dublin to mark the 25th anniversary of Lynott's death before embarking on a UK tour running for the rest of the month. Tour support will be from Supersuckers and further details on the anniversary show will be forthcoming.
Thin Lizzy 2011 tour dates: 06/01 Aberdeen Music Hall 07/01 Glasgow Academy 08/01 Newcastle City Hall 10/01 Leeds Academy 11/01 Llandudno Theatre 12/01 Leicester De Montford Hall 14/01 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 15/01 Manchester Apollo 16/01 Bristol Colston Hall 18/01 Southampton Guildhall 19/01 Ipswich Regent 21/01 Cambridge Corn Exchange 22/01 Hammersmith Apollo
Thin Lizzy imploded last year after long-time member John Sykes left the band, soon after drummer Tommy Aldridge broke his shoulder, resulting in the band cancelling their support slots on AC/DC's 2010 UK dates.
At the time Gorham, who joined Lynott and co in 1974 and stayed until they split in 1983, said: "I can only apologise to everyone who has supported us over the years – but we will be back up at full speed soon."
Warwick is currently on tour supporting his most recent solo album, Belfast Confetti. Def Leppard are on a break after a long world tour, with singer Joe Elliott about to release a tribute to Mott the Hoople recorded with the Quireboys as Joe Elliott's Down'n'Outz, and guitarist Phil Collen having released a Man-Raze album in 2008.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:04 pm |
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You know things are pretty bad when John Sykes quits.
If Vivian Campbell is in the current band, then Def Leppard must be on hiatus. Campbell would be a fool to leave Leppard, who can still play state fairs (yeah, I know I just remarked about KISS doing this) and do arenas in conjunction with other acts. That's his bread and butter.
No Phil Lynott = No Lizzy.
This whole thing reminds me of the Lynyrd Skynyrd thing, where it started out as a one-shot tribute tour and ended up becoming a career. I don't know if that's how this "Lizzy" reformation started out, but there are some similarities between the two, down to having only one original member in the current lineup.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:42 pm |
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Dr. Chris Evil wrote: You know things are pretty bad when John Sykes quits.
If Vivian Campbell is in the current band, then Def Leppard must be on hiatus. Campbell would be a fool to leave Leppard, who can still play state fairs (yeah, I know I just remarked about KISS doing this) and do arenas in conjunction with other acts. That's his bread and butter.
No Phil Lynott = No Lizzy.
This whole thing reminds me of the Lynyrd Skynyrd thing, where it started out as a one-shot tribute tour and ended up becoming a career. I don't know if that's how this "Lizzy" reformation started out, but there are some similarities between the two, down to having only one original member in the current lineup. The Lizzy reunion was a tribute show in the UK and Ireland back in 1994, then a two week tour of Japan. It should have ended there, but in the late 90's they "reformed" and until last year they kept going. But it was not Lizzy. I agree Chris, about the history, although with Lizzy there are 3 classic members not one w/ Gorham, Downey and Wharton. Still, no Lynott, no Lizzy, no way, no how!
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:22 pm |
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I love this band but hate that they are mostly known for only one song. Curious as to your favorite album. I've always been partial to Black Rose.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:49 pm |
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GodsComic wrote: I love this band but hate that they are mostly known for only one song. Curious as to your favorite album. I've always been partial to Black Rose. Drives me nuts that most people only know the one song or the two other biggies, but in the UK they had close to 20 hits! Black Rose 'tis my favorite album!
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:50 pm |
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Blame classic rock radio -- they seem to think that Lizzy only had two songs.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:58 pm |
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Classic rock radio thinks EVERY band only has one or two songs. No Phil, no Lizzy. And really Warwick - was Paul Rodgers unavailable? Marco Mendoza? Rudy Sarzo doesn't have his passport any more? My favorite album varies - right now, I think I'd go with "Life".
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:11 pm |
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They should've brought Gary Moore in to lead the new Thin Lizzy.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:20 pm |
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I could support that - but it still wouldn't be Lizzy.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:33 pm |
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alantig wrote: I could support that - but it still wouldn't be Lizzy.
Alan Indeed, it would not be and Gary would never do that. I'd love to know what happened to those 2 CD deluxe editions of the first 3 remasters that were due through Universal a few years ago-the damn track listings are still on AmazonUK.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:08 am |
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Dr. Chris Evil wrote: You know things are pretty bad when John Sykes quits.
If Vivian Campbell is in the current band, then Def Leppard must be on hiatus. Campbell would be a fool to leave Leppard, who can still play state fairs (yeah, I know I just remarked about KISS doing this) and do arenas in conjunction with other acts. That's his bread and butter.
No Phil Lynott = No Lizzy.
This whole thing reminds me of the Lynyrd Skynyrd thing, where it started out as a one-shot tribute tour and ended up becoming a career. I don't know if that's how this "Lizzy" reformation started out, but there are some similarities between the two, down to having only one original member in the current lineup. Skynyrd without Ronnie is a joke.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:15 am |
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Skynyrd with only one original member left is an even bigger joke.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:45 am |
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But it's not very funny.............
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:02 am |
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A 2-fer of Jailbreak/Black Rose is being released on May 18 for those who want to get started with Thin Lizzy and don't know where to begin, this would be a great start. I personally think every song on Jailbreak is strong, no filler to my ears, even though our great American radio led you to believe only 2 songs were on it. And IP, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I find it interesting that you are adamant about no Lynott, no Thin Lizzy, when we have gone round and round on that very topic with other bands, where you didn't really agree with me saying, no Lou Gramm, no Foreigner, no Steve Perry, no Journey, no Paul Rodgers, no Bad Company. And by no means am I saying "what gives??"--it's nice that you can be passionate about a band and understand at least where I am coming from. I'm a guy that likes the original, be it the band or in 99.9% of the cases, a song. I'm not 100% unyielding on that, I liked the Hagar incarnation of Van Halen, as an example. On the other hand, FOR ME, there is no AC/DC without Bon Scott. Now, I am CLEARLY in the minority on that, one only need look at their enormous popularity post-Bon, but I feel about Bon the same way you do Lynott, so I can certainly viscerally feel your viewpoint and hope you can feel mine.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:20 am |
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Is this 2fer a remastered BGO, or.....?
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:29 am |
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James Dean wrote: I find it interesting that you are adamant about no Lynott, no Thin Lizzy, when we have gone round and round on that very topic with other bands, where you didn't really agree with me saying, no Lou Gramm, no Foreigner, no Steve Perry, no Journey, no Paul Rodgers, no Bad Company. hmmmm..... Thin Lizzy with Paul Rodgers ...... naahhhh, never mind. 
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:10 pm |
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Why do I get the feeling Scott Gorham keeps itching to destroy the Thin Lizzy back catalogue? I have been dying for Deluxe Edition remasters, but he keeps talking about remixing, and now, what is he up to with these statements? Is he actually saying he wants a shot for Joe Elliot to sing on these sacred albums? Does he really want every Lizzy fan to despise him for time eternal? I hope to God, it's just remastering the album and adding bonus tracks. And it should be all the albums, not 2 or 3. But if he's seriously talking of Joe Elliot re-recording Lynott's vocals I will hunt Gorham down and it won't be pretty.
From Anti-Music.com:
Def Leppard star Joe Elliott is in talks with the founding members of Thin Lizzy to re-record the late Phil Lynott's vocals for a new project. Guitarist Scott Gorham insists he's keen to remaster and remix two or three of the band's classic albums and he wants Elliott to join the band for the sessions.
He tells Guitarist magazine, "I've been talking to the guys (executives) at Universal (about a) deluxe album where you get the original (album) remastered and the second disc will either be the whole album remixed or tracks cherry-picked off for that treatment."
"I'm actually talking to Joe Elliott about going into his studio and doing it there in Dublin. We've been talking about that for a few years and now Universal is on board; it's now a matter of finalizing all the costs to do it."
"We want to get in this year and start the remixes. We want to get onto it as soon as possible... You keep Phil and keep his bass parts but see what we could do now, see what the songs turn out like now."
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:29 pm |
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote: Why do I get the feeling Scott Gorham keeps itching to destroy the Thin Lizzy back catalogue? I have been dying for Deluxe Edition rematsers, but he keeps talking about remixing, and now, what is he up to with these statements? Is he actually saying he wants a shot Joe Elliot to sing on these sacred albums? Does he really want every Lizzy fan to despise him for time eternal? I hope to God, it's just remastering the album and adding bonus tracks. And it should be all the albums, not 2 or 3. But if he's seriously talking of Joe Elliot re-recording Lynott's vocals I will hunt Gorham down and it won't be pretty.
From Anti-Music.com:
Def Leppard star Joe Elliott is in talks with the founding members of Thin Lizzy to re-record the late Phil Lynott's vocals for a new project. Guitarist Scott Gorham insists he's keen to remaster and remix two or three of the band's classic albums and he wants Elliott to join the band for the sessions.
He tells Guitarist magazine, "I've been talking to the guys (executives) at Universal (about a) deluxe album where you get the original (album) remastered and the second disc will either be the whole album remixed or tracks cherry-picked off for that treatment."
"I'm actually talking to Joe Elliott about going into his studio and doing it there in Dublin. We've been talking about that for a few years and now Universal is on board; it's now a matter of finalizing all the costs to do it."
"We want to get in this year and start the remixes. We want to get onto it as soon as possible... You keep Phil and keep his bass parts but see what we could do now, see what the songs turn out like now."  That would truly suck.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:22 pm |
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James Dean wrote: A 2-fer of Jailbreak/Black Rose is being released on May 18 for those who want to get started with Thin Lizzy and don't know where to begin, this would be a great start. I personally think every song on Jailbreak is strong, no filler to my ears, even though our great American radio led you to believe only 2 songs were on it. And IP, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I find it interesting that you are adamant about no Lynott, no Thin Lizzy, when we have gone round and round on that very topic with other bands, where you didn't really agree with me saying, no Lou Gramm, no Foreigner, no Steve Perry, no Journey, no Paul Rodgers, no Bad Company. And by no means am I saying "what gives??"--it's nice that you can be passionate about a band and understand at least where I am coming from. I'm a guy that likes the original, be it the band or in 99.9% of the cases, a song. I'm not 100% unyielding on that, I liked the Hagar incarnation of Van Halen, as an example. On the other hand, FOR ME, there is no AC/DC without Bon Scott. Now, I am CLEARLY in the minority on that, one only need look at their enormous popularity post-Bon, but I feel about Bon the same way you do Lynott, so I can certainly viscerally feel your viewpoint and hope you can feel mine. James: In brief, it's a case by case basis. With Foreigner, you still have Mick Jones, responsible for every note of music written and produced by the band. With Journey, Perry wasn't even in the band the first 4 years and I loved those first 3 albums. With Bad Co., Rodgers is my favorite singer ever, but Ralphs/Kirke/Burrell carried on (Burrell would leave quickly though), but I liked the updated approach Bad Co took after Rodgers even though they weren't the same and it was fairly generic. VH with Sammy was good, just too safe but VH all the same. Even the Cherrone era had good live shows-the album sucked and DLR or SH woudn't have fixed that. The 2nd album they did with Cherrone was much better, but never got released. Maybe some day. As for Lizzy, Lynott IS/WAS Lizzy. It was his band, his vision, and he is always regarded as the man. Without him-it's nothing. Also, all these bands you mentioned made new music-this "Lizzy" is just Gorham making bucks playing the classics in bars. Not the same at all. If people consider this Lizzy, I'll argue with them, but they have the right to think so if they so choose. But I don't know anyone who does. IMO, if the move makes sense musically and the majority of fans accept it, it's generally a good thing, provided there's also some new music involved. It always makes for a good debate though, yes?
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:29 pm |
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If I read Gorham's comments correctly (and I'm not sure I do), the re-recordings would be in addition to the original album, not in place of. Which is okay - I don't think the new versions will turn out well, but as long as the original albums are still there, at least you always have them to fall back on. Now if the remastered versions turn out to be remixed as well, then it's a different story.
The re-recordings thing...well, it just never seems to turn out that well. I mean, I understand what Kiss did w/rerecording their stuff - it was a way for them to use those songs in movies and commercials and keep all the money. But despite the relative abilities of Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer compared to Peter Criss and Ace Frehley, the new versions didn't have the magic that the originals did. And rerecordings will almost ALWAYS be like that. The Ozzy situation was different, done to screw Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley out of performance royalties. And the new versions weren't as good as the originals.
But the Ozzy situation is closer to this situation, if they're really considering using Elliot's vocals to replace Lynott's (and, in Gorham's defence, he said "You keep Phil and keep his bass parts..."), then this is a disaster waiting to happen. Think the Ozzy situation, only they decide to re-record Randy Rhoads' parts, too.
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:07 pm |
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote: The 2nd album [Van Halen] did with Cherrone was much better, but never got released. Maybe some day. I can't imagine that material would *ever* see official release, but did it actually leak out at some point? I've never heard much about those sessions...
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Post subject: Thin Lizzy Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:45 pm |
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote: VH with Sammy was good, just too safe but VH all the same. Even the Cherrone era had good live shows-the album sucked and DLR or SH woudn't have fixed that. The 2nd album they did with Cherrone was much better, but never got released. Maybe some day. Have you actually heard the tracks from the aborted second album with Cherone, IP? I was wondering what might have happened had a good producer reined Eddie in and focused on making a good album, but Cherone left while it was being recorded.
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