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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:12 am 
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Wonderful, sublime, an absolute joy.

Discuss. :yay: :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:11 am 
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My thoughts back in 2006, still true today:

Li'l Jay wrote:
It's certainly not the "sword" part of "sword and sorcery," but I absolutely loved a book from last year called Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell.

I'm talking a freak out kind of love. I bought a signed copy off eBay I liked it so much.

It's set in a slightly alternate England during the Napoleonic War. Magic is real. It's a lot of talky, not much fighty. But it's oddly compelling and addictive. And it has a dark dimension that makes it creepy. Some have said it's a Harry Potter for adults. But too many people replied that Harry Potter is the Harry Potter for adults.

And by the way, the author Susanna Clark lists The Watchmen as one of her top influences of all time. No similarity in the work, mind you, but Ms. Clark's taste reflects well on her.

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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
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Clarke is creatively close with Neil Gaiman -- she absolutely loved Sandman, and Gaiman promotes her work whenever he can. He's a fan.

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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
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I think I will buy this based upon the three posts above.


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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:16 am 
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From Clarke's official website (which has looked substantially the same since 2005 -- I think it takes her forever to write), these are her words in an interview (snipped around by me):

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Watchmen by Alan Moore. This is a graphic novel - and it’s about superheroes. Nevertheless it’s full of real characters and real situations. The first time I read it I could not put it down. I managed on very little sleep and when I had to go to work I felt physically ill until I was able to go back to it. Moore does things in Watchmen which are impossible to do in a film or a novel without getting tricksy or arty. For example he can easily interweave two apparently unrelated stories, happening at the same time in New York - showing one in pictures, and running the dialogue of the other over the top. Of course the stories aren’t unrelated — they comment on each other and make each other deeper, darker, more moving. It is simply virtuoso..

Who are your five favourite authors, and why?
Jane Austen who got as close to perfection as anyone can.

Alan Moore (see above) who, in the words of Jonathan Ross, causes middle-aged men (and women) to fall to their knees in comic shops, weeping in gratitude.

Charles Dickens: There is no one Dickens novel I could pick over all the others. Dickens is huge — like the sky. Pick any page of Dickens and it’s immediately recognisable as him, yet he might be doing social satire, or farce, or horror, or a psychological study of a murderer — or any combination of these. He’s always much more than you remember — more playful, more surreal, more campaigning, more sentimental, more Victorian, more good and more bad.

Neil Gaiman who is the most audacious and surprising writer. In the first comic of his I read, he emptied Hell. I was quite shocked. I thought 'Are you really allowed to do that?' Apparently you are.

Joss Whedon and other assorted writers of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Not perfect. The plots often creak. But the dialogue is wonderful and the characterisation is as almost as good. Apparently Joss Whedon starts from emotion. He asks what emotion does the viewer need to feel? and what emotion does the character need to feel? These are very good questions for any writer in writing any fiction. Get that right and your readers/viewers will want to keep reading/watching.

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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
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Here are Neil Gaiman's thoughts from back when he read the book (he ended up doing a blurb for the book itself)"

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Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell is unquestionably the finest English novel of the fantastic written in the last seventy years. It's funny, moving, scary, otherworldly, practical and magical, a journey through light and shadow — a delight to read, both for the elegant and precise use of words, which Ms Clarke deploys as wisely and dangerously as Wellington once deployed his troops, and for the vast sweep of the story, as tangled and twisting as old London streets or dark English woods. It is a huge book, filled with people it is a delight to meet, and incidents and places one wishes to revisit, which is, from beginning to end, a perfect pleasure. Closing Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell after 800 pages my only regret was that it wasn't twice the length.'

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If you can imagine liking a sort of cross between Dickens and Austen with magic thrown in, then you will love it. There are also comparisons to George Meredith but I am not familiar with his work. But it is very witty, very immersive into the time period depicted, humorous, dark and sometimes tragic. I'm something of an Anglophile so perhaps this aided my enjoyment.

Except for the commonality of dealing with magic, it in no way reminded me of Harry Potter. I wouldn't recommend it at all if I thought that.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:24 am 
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Li'l Jay wrote:
Here are Neil Gaiman's thoughts from back when he read the book (he ended up doing a blurb for the book itself)"

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Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell is unquestionably the finest English novel of the fantastic written in the last seventy years. It's funny, moving, scary, otherworldly, practical and magical, a journey through light and shadow — a delight to read, both for the elegant and precise use of words, which Ms Clarke deploys as wisely and dangerously as Wellington once deployed his troops, and for the vast sweep of the story, as tangled and twisting as old London streets or dark English woods. It is a huge book, filled with people it is a delight to meet, and incidents and places one wishes to revisit, which is, from beginning to end, a perfect pleasure. Closing Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell after 800 pages my only regret was that it wasn't twice the length.'

http://bloomsbury.com/susannaclarke/


Blurbs usually mean nothing to me but everything Gaiman says here is absolutely true.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:24 am 
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Reading Strange & Norrell was a major experience for me -- not just discovering a new favorite book, but realizing that a new landmark work in fantasy had come about. It really is one of the most tremendous and original magical epics since The Lord of the Rings, with which it shares almost nothing superficial in common, but on the deep level they're both infused with that profoundly beautiful melancholy, that sense that we must love life while we can. And they're both masterpieces of invented history; you get the sense that this alternate, magical England existed for centuries before the author ever came along to tell a story in it.

What I most treasure about the book is that, for all its colossal world-shifting adventure, at heart it's simply a story about being loyal to your best friend, even if he's an asshole.


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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:26 am 
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For all you fake fans, the title has an ampersand (&), not the word "and."

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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
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Noted.


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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:29 am 
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Stephen Strange wrote:
at heart it's simply a story about being loyal to your best friend, even if he's an asshole.


Hmmm. I took at as more a story about your friends should be loyal to you, even if they get some crazy misguided ideas about you and will not admit they are wrong.

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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
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Your idea is implicit in my idea. Or vice versa. Or something.


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You're the asshole.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:41 am 
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 Post subject: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:55 am 
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Shakespeare, you say? And I have to type how long?

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Incredibly slow, weighed down by a constant barrage of distracting footnotes, and nothing much at all happens at least during the first 100 or so pages. Which was where I tapped out. Not a fan. Sorry.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:18 pm 
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Not all that great. Sorry. Pretty much what WO said, except that I finished the whole thing.

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Shakespeare, you say? And I have to type how long?

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I enjoyed it, but my memory is such that I could not have told you a thing about it other than knowing I had read it. I HATE it when that happens. So, one trip to AmazWAN to refresh the memory and suddenly I am hankering to read it again.

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I totally understand WO's reaction yet there was something about it that kept me reading it, and enjoying it in an odd kind of way.

Better than LOTR anyway

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