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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:35 pm 
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Someone mentioned FM broadcasts in the "What's Next" thread, so I thought I'd break it out and ask what concert broadcasts folks would like to see released.

For me, the ones that pop to mind first are (and all of these unedited/unbleeped, where necessary)...

Quarterflash, circa 1987. From the first tour, before "Take Another Picture" came out. Good show, excellent performance, and it caught them before the beginning of the end. When TAP came out, I kind of figured they were already on the downhill side because on the concert broadcast, Rindy Ross and Jack Charles traded verses on TAP. When the album came out, it was all Rindy, and the song wasn't as strong, in my mind.

Ozzy, 1982. With Brad Gillis. A friend of a friend made me a copy of this show that was better quality than mine. Gillis was in a tough situation - this was only a few months after Randy Rhoads died. Unlike "Speak Of The Devil", though, this was the Ozzy "Diary Of A Madman" set. Gillis did a great job in a rough situation. There's also a Montreal or Cleveland show that was partially used for the "Tribute" album, but was more extensively used for a King Biscuit show, I believe. I'd like to see that come out as well.

Ted Nugent, circa 1982. The "Nugent" tour. Not sure if I have this on tape, but they hacked a lot of the language, but Sweaty Teddy was pretty good, and they played a couple of the songs from the "Nugent" album.

Kiss, Animalize 1984. The show used for "Animalize: Live" was also an FM broadcast, as I recall. It would be nice to have some Eric Carr-era live audio. The Kissology set helps fill that in (and where was this video?), but it's not quite the same as having that album.

Black Sabbath, Born Again Tour. The boot I have may have been a soundboard, but for some reason, I think it was a radio broadcast. The underrated Ian Gillian era.

Michael Hedges, Philadelphia circa 1988. He did a show like World Cafe. I have a boot of this, and it's a typically excellent Hedges show, save for the announcer who had no clue about what Hedges did. For those who don't know, Hedges was an incredible acoustic guitarist who used a lot of altered tunings. So he retuned a lot for different songs. Captain Clueless says - numerous times - words to the effect of "Gee, the weather is really giving him problems tonight because he's constantly having to retune his guitar."

Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms Tour 1986. At the height of their game. Wouldn't mind the audio from the Mandela birthday concert, either, when Eric Clapton filled in for Jack Sonni.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:52 pm 
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Well....the Westwood One Superstars In Concert archives might be opened someday.

While a lot of this material has been bootlegged, I would guess that they recorded full concerts and edited them down.

So....they have Tom Petty from tours in '85, '86 (with Bob Dylan), '87, '89, '91, '93, and '06.
Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Pretenders, Benatar, Henley, Nicks...to name a few.

A lot of the KSAN Record Plant shows are out there thanks to Woflgang's Vault, but not all of them....there are show from Doug Sahm, the Wailers, and Steve Miller that are great. Same thing with historical broadcasts from the Old Waldorf or the Boarding House: they have Elvis Costello's first show in the USA, both sets, from '77.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:09 pm 
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My favorite Austin City Limits show of all time was kd lang back in the 80's (it was simulcast on FM, so I do have a stereo version on cassette). I can't believe this hasn't been released on DVD or CD like so many other ACL shows.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:12 pm 
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Ozzy, 1982. With Brad Gillis. A friend of a friend made me a copy of this show that was better quality than mine. Gillis was in a tough situation - this was only a few months after Randy Rhoads died. Unlike "Speak Of The Devil", though, this was the Ozzy "Diary Of A Madman" set. Gillis did a great job in a rough situation. There's also a Montreal or Cleveland show that was partially used for the "Tribute" album, but was more extensively used for a King Biscuit show, I believe. I'd like to see that come out as well.


I have an Ozzy broadcast from April 28, 1982 in Memphis that is killer. And yes, Gillis did a helluva job in a tough situation. Would love to see one of these Gillis shows released.

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That's the show - the city slipped my mind for some reason. We used to tease the guy who had the good copy because he'd let us go to his house to play his stereo and listen to his albums, but he'd always tell us to keep it down because he was tired of getting crap from his neighbors about the noise. Then he'd come home half in the bag, pull out the Ozzy tape, turn the volume WAY up and scream along w/Ozzy - "LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS!!!"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:25 pm 
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In 1982, The Who broadcast the final concert of their North American "Farewell" tour from Toronto over radio and I think also on cable tv. I had already seen them at the Dallas show so I was real excited about getting a recording of the concert. I must have played that cassette tape 1000 times. All of my tapes got stolen out of my car a few years later (along with some great Led Zep and Pink Floyd boots) and I didn't hear these songs again until I eventually found a few of them on Napster. Even now when I hear some of these songs on the radio (particularly the Quadrophenia songs) I think about how much more I preferred those live versions. Apparently, there was a video released of this concert called "The Who Rocks America" but I'd love to have a good sounding audio of it. Maybe it was good ole day syndrome but I remember the tape I made sounding a lot better than the muddy sounding songs I found on Napster that were probably recorded from the VHS.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:37 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:55 pm 
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Mike M wrote:
In 1982, The Who broadcast the final concert of their North American "Farewell" tour from Toronto over radio and I think also on cable tv. I had already seen them at the Dallas show so I was real excited about getting a recording of the concert. I must have played that cassette tape 1000 times. All of my tapes got stolen out of my car a few years later (along with some great Led Zep and Pink Floyd boots) and I didn't hear these songs again until I eventually found a few of them on Napster. Even now when I hear some of these songs on the radio (particularly the Quadrophenia songs) I think about how much more I preferred those live versions. Apparently, there was a video released of this concert called "The Who Rocks America" but I'd love to have a good sounding audio of it. Maybe it was good ole day syndrome but I remember the tape I made sounding a lot better than the muddy sounding songs I found on Napster that were probably recorded from the VHS.

I remember taping the Who's 1989 concert at Radio City Music Hall on an FM station in Detroit--it was the first complete live performance of "Tommy" in nearly 20 years. Daltrey came out at the beginning and said, "We'd like to ask for a bit of quiet, because as Keith Moon would have said, 'Have a little respect--it's a FUCKING opera!" on livem coast-to-coast FM radio. I was always disappointed that they didn't include that introduction in the "Join Together" box set.

And I played that crap out of that cassette for the rest of the summer. As much as I loved the original"Tommy" album, the LP I had at the time (which I dubbed onto cassette) was the most wretched-sounding vinyl I've ever heard. The cassette sounded infinitely better when cranked full blast.

Around Christmas time, I was playing that Radio City concert cassette in the car when my cheap K Mart cassette deck started to chew up the cassette. I wound up yanking the deck out of the dashboard and prying it apart, leaving it in a McDonalds trash can, and carefully taping the tape back together and then dubbing everything onto a new cassette.

Remembering this reminds me of the extent to which my music collecting (and collection) has changed. It sort of ties into that "What's Next" thread I started, because sometimes I wonder about the extent my enjoyment of music has been led astray by my occasionally obsessive-compulsive desire to own CD's to the exclusion of all other music formats.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:20 am 
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I recorded that "Tommy" broadcast too and I still have it! This inspired me to put that tape in my tapedeck. Unfortunately, I should have transferred it to disk a long time ago. :?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:58 am 
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I'm partial to the Lynda Rhondstat concert that Jeff Dugan broadcast on QSky Radio.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:39 am 
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RobertSwanderson wrote:
I'm partial to the Lynda Rhondstat concert that Jeff Dugan broadcast on QSky Radio.


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Mike M wrote:
In 1982, The Who broadcast the final concert of their North American "Farewell" tour from Toronto over radio and I think also on cable tv. I had already seen them at the Dallas show so I was real excited about getting a recording of the concert. I must have played that cassette tape 1000 times. All of my tapes got stolen out of my car a few years later (along with some great Led Zep and Pink Floyd boots) and I didn't hear these songs again until I eventually found a few of them on Napster. Even now when I hear some of these songs on the radio (particularly the Quadrophenia songs) I think about how much more I preferred those live versions. Apparently, there was a video released of this concert called "The Who Rocks America" but I'd love to have a good sounding audio of it. Maybe it was good ole day syndrome but I remember the tape I made sounding a lot better than the muddy sounding songs I found on Napster that were probably recorded from the VHS.


The audio from Toronto 1982 was originally released as "Who's Last". Its now out on CD/DVD as
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:57 am 
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Mike M wrote:
In 1982, The Who broadcast the final concert of their North American "Farewell" tour from Toronto over radio and I think also on cable tv. I had already seen them at the Dallas show so I was real excited about getting a recording of the concert. I must have played that cassette tape 1000 times. All of my tapes got stolen out of my car a few years later (along with some great Led Zep and Pink Floyd boots) and I didn't hear these songs again until I eventually found a few of them on Napster. Even now when I hear some of these songs on the radio (particularly the Quadrophenia songs) I think about how much more I preferred those live versions. Apparently, there was a video released of this concert called "The Who Rocks America" but I'd love to have a good sounding audio of it. Maybe it was good ole day syndrome but I remember the tape I made sounding a lot better than the muddy sounding songs I found on Napster that were probably recorded from the VHS.


The audio from Toronto 1982 was originally released as "Who's Last". Its now out on CD/DVD as
"Live From Toronto".

Wow... I didn't know that. I just looked at that on Amazon and it is listed as an import. It doesn't look like the full concert though. I remember them also playing "Athena" and a great version of "Dr. Jimmy" but the track listing doesn't show them. I'm sure I'll get it anyway. Thanks!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:18 am 
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"I remember taping the Who's 1989 concert at Radio City Music Hall on an FM station in Detroit..."

I did the same, here in San Francisco. Probably off of KFOG or the long-gone KRQR.

A buddy of mine was a big Who fan, living in Spain at the time. I worked a block from ROCK EXPRESS, the factory outlet for Winterland Productions. They did the t-shirts and memorabilia for lots of tours; it was an offshoot of Bill Grahams' company but by this time was owned by a corporation....MCA, I think....
.....anyway.... all of the concert swag that DIDN'T sell on the tour we offered at their shop at rock-bottom prices: $6 a shirt, but they'd sell 'em to regulars for $2 a pop. (One year, I used Springsteen European Tour t-shirts to wrap gifts for my friends).

The only prob was you tended to find Small and XXLarge more than you found Medium, Large, and X-Large. So I found a 1989 Small Who tour shirt there, with the classic Marquee Club Pete Townsend image on that poster that was with LIve At Leeds....but it was a Small. I bought it, dubbed a copy of the '89 Radio City broadcast, and sent it to my buddy in Madrid. It made his day, that's for sure.

My biggest regret is that I did NOT buy any of the tons of Milli Vanilli shirts that they had left over from their last tour. I should have bought 'em, bagged 'em in plastic, and waited twenty years....and sold 'em on Ebay.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:07 am 
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DRaftervoi wrote:
A buddy of mine was a big Who fan, living in Spain at the time. I worked a block from ROCK EXPRESS, the factory outlet for Winterland Productions. They did the t-shirts and memorabilia for lots of tours; it was an offshoot of Bill Grahams' company but by this time was owned by a corporation....MCA, I think....
.....anyway.... all of the concert swag that DIDN'T sell on the tour we offered at their shop at rock-bottom prices: $6 a shirt, but they'd sell 'em to regulars for $2 a pop. (One year, I used Springsteen European Tour t-shirts to wrap gifts for my friends).

The only prob was you tended to find Small and XXLarge more than you found Medium, Large, and X-Large. So I found a 1989 Small Who tour shirt there, with the classic Marquee Club Pete Townsend image on that poster that was with LIve At Leeds....but it was a Small. I bought it, dubbed a copy of the '89 Radio City broadcast, and sent it to my buddy in Madrid. It made his day, that's for sure.

My biggest regret is that I did NOT buy any of the tons of Milli Vanilli shirts that they had left over from their last tour. I should have bought 'em, bagged 'em in plastic, and waited twenty years....and sold 'em on Ebay.

The Who's "Join Together" box (from MCA) contained an order form for '89 tour t-shirts, etc from Winterland Rock Express. I actually mailed off for the Marquee Club t-shirt. As you can see, it cost $12, plus $3 shipping. Goshdarnit I'm old.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:20 am 
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joebase wrote:
RobertSwanderson wrote:
I'm partial to the Lynda Rhondstat concert that Jeff Dugan broadcast on QSky Radio.


good one!!!


Wow, I just saw that segment on a broadcast of "FM" a few days ago! I decided to see the whole film, only to find that it's out of print and netflix doesn't have it =(


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:45 pm 
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Mike M wrote:
Jeff Zahnen wrote:
Mike M wrote:
In 1982, The Who broadcast the final concert of their North American "Farewell" tour from Toronto over radio and I think also on cable tv. I had already seen them at the Dallas show so I was real excited about getting a recording of the concert. I must have played that cassette tape 1000 times. All of my tapes got stolen out of my car a few years later (along with some great Led Zep and Pink Floyd boots) and I didn't hear these songs again until I eventually found a few of them on Napster. Even now when I hear some of these songs on the radio (particularly the Quadrophenia songs) I think about how much more I preferred those live versions. Apparently, there was a video released of this concert called "The Who Rocks America" but I'd love to have a good sounding audio of it. Maybe it was good ole day syndrome but I remember the tape I made sounding a lot better than the muddy sounding songs I found on Napster that were probably recorded from the VHS.


The audio from Toronto 1982 was originally released as "Who's Last". Its now out on CD/DVD as
"Live From Toronto".

Wow... I didn't know that. I just looked at that on Amazon and it is listed as an import. It doesn't look like the full concert though. I remember them also playing "Athena" and a great version of "Dr. Jimmy" but the track listing doesn't show them. I'm sure I'll get it anyway. Thanks!


A couple of things here. "Who's Last" was not the whole Toronto show as it only included songs recorded under MCA (it's missing all the Warner Bros. songs)-it was a piece of crap contract-filler that the band disowned.
"Live From Toronto" is a bootleg from the Immortal label and is also not complete and I'd imagine is questionable at best.
"The Who Rocks America" was a VHS release that was quite long but ALSO is incomplete!
There are some pro-shot boots on DVD of the whole show but they're not easy to find-always check the track listings. They did not play "Athena", but one of the songs commonly missing is "Cry If You Want". I specifically remembered being excited when that song came on, as I recorded that show off the radio while my parents were hosting some lame Christmas party with the neighbors and my friends and I were listening to the broadcast in another room! I think it was Dec. 17, 1982.
Somebody (alantig I think) mentioned that Sabbath show from 1983-I remember that very well. I would always stay up late at night on Wednesdays as the "Superstar Concert Series" would come on around 12am. In Nov. 1983, on Thanksgiving Eve, my friends and I came back from drinking in the woods on a cold night and that show came on and I recorded it (and I wasn't drunk like they were so I was able to soak it up). I was so psyched to hear that show. It was from Worcester, MA on the Born Again tour. It's commonly available as a boot, but I still have my original recording.
I also have that Ozzy show with Gillis from Memphis in 1982. The best Gillis show was the Pasadena, CA show from June 1982 which was broadcast as an MTV Saturday Night Concert on Halloween weekend. I was blown away-what a show! One of Ozzy's best lineups with Gillis, Rudy Sarzo, Tommy Aldridge and Don Airey. They did an awesome instrumental jam as well. I have the original Japanese only VHS release of that called "Speak Of The Devil" and dubbed audio of that onto a cassette way back when and it sounded pretty killer with the stereo mix.
I'd really love a good-sounding show from that tour during the short-lived Bernie Torme era!

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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
They did not play "Athena", but one of the songs commonly missing is "Cry If You Want".

That sounds right. I knew they played something else from "It's Hard" and I thought it was "Athena" but now that you mention it, it was "Cry If you Want".


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Neil Young's "Rusted Out Garage Tour", unedited, so I can
hear the rantings of Sam Kinison as the band's pissed off
neighbor. I remember hearing it on radio, and Sam's bits
were deleted, with the host of the show explaining why.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:21 pm 
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Great call on the Who shows. I think I have a cassette of the 1982 show floating somewhere. All of the commercial releases, including the DVD, are incomplete. At a bare minimum, they're all missing "Behind Blue Eyes". Roger really chumped the beginning of it. I loved those live versions as well, although to this day, whenever I hear "Love Ain't For Keeping", I hear Kenney Jones' rather stiff 16th notes. I loved the extended codas to "Long Live Rock" and "Won't Get Fooled Again". We used to play LLR in that arrangement. I believe the DVD of that show is available from Netflix.

I have the 1989 show on VHS, I think, although it seems to me that there was a PPV broadcast and a radio broadcast - one with special guests, one without. I'm recalling (but to lazy to look up and confirm) Phil Collins as Uncle Ernie and Billy Idol as Cousin Kevin. And Patti Labelle as the Acid Queen.

On the Ozzy/Brad Gillis show, the one that was released on video as "Speak Of The Devil" (Ozzy tunes, not Sabbath as on the CD of the same name) - wasn't the audio on that heavily treated? I saw some YouTube clips that were obviously horribly dubbed.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:45 pm 
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I have the 1989 show on VHS, I think, although it seems to me that there was a PPV broadcast and a radio broadcast - one with special guests, one without. I'm recalling (but to lazy to look up and confirm) Phil Collins as Uncle Ernie and Billy Idol as Cousin Kevin. And Patti Labelle as the Acid Queen.

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The radio show from Radio City Music Hall was near the beginning of the tour; the PPV was a few weeks later out in California. The PPV was the show with the guest stars, and it's available on DVD. At the Radio City show, Pete played "A Friend Is A Friend", a song apparently dropped from the setlist thereafter. An edited version of "I'm A Man" from this broadcast was on the "Thirty Years Of Maximum R&B" boxed set.

This thread is bringing back memories...I remember browsing Who albums back in the 80's at the Harmony House on Woodward Avenue between (I believe) 12 and 13 mile in Royal Oak, Michigan, and finding a brand new, vinyl copy of "Who's Last" with a 3x5 card scotch taped to the shrinkwrap which read "THIS IS A BOOTLEG QUALITY LIVE ALBUM", apparently written by a helpful store employee. I can't imagine that happening at an FYE or Best Buy today.


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Great call on the Who shows. I think I have a cassette of the 1982 show floating somewhere. All of the commercial releases, including the DVD, are incomplete. At a bare minimum, they're all missing "Behind Blue Eyes". Roger really chumped the beginning of it. I loved those live versions as well, although to this day, whenever I hear "Love Ain't For Keeping", I hear Kenney Jones' rather stiff 16th notes. I loved the extended codas to "Long Live Rock" and "Won't Get Fooled Again". We used to play LLR in that arrangement. I believe the DVD of that show is available from Netflix.

I have the 1989 show on VHS, I think, although it seems to me that there was a PPV broadcast and a radio broadcast - one with special guests, one without. I'm recalling (but to lazy to look up and confirm) Phil Collins as Uncle Ernie and Billy Idol as Cousin Kevin. And Patti Labelle as the Acid Queen.

On the Ozzy/Brad Gillis show, the one that was released on video as "Speak Of The Devil" (Ozzy tunes, not Sabbath as on the CD of the same name) - wasn't the audio on that heavily treated? I saw some YouTube clips that were obviously horribly dubbed.

Alantig:
Yes, Ozzy's vocals were as fake as Britney's. The music was incredible though. Ozzy's vocals were actually real at times-usually just the intros. He did record the vocals live, but AFTER the show!
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