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NEW YORK — A Wal-Mart worker died after being trampled by a throng of unruly shoppers as consumers, who had snapped their wallets shut since September, flocked to stores before dawn Friday to grab deals on everything from TVs to toys for the traditional start of the holiday shopping season, feared to be the weakest in decades.
Retailers extended their hours — some opening at midnight — and offered deals that promised to be more impressive than even the deep discounts that shoppers found throughout November.

The 34-year-old Wal-Mart worker was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead at about 6 a.m., an hour after the store opened, when a throng of shoppers “physically broke down the doors, knocking him to the ground,” a police statement said.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., in Bentonville, Ark., would not confirm the reports of a stampede during the day-after-Thanksgiving bargain hunting, but said a “medical emergency” caused them to close the store. A 28-year-old pregnant woman and three other shoppers suffered minor injuries and also were taken to hospitals for observation, a police spokesman said.

By 3:43 a.m., about 50 people had lined up in preparation for the 5 a.m. opening at a Wal-Mart store in Cary, N.C. Shannon Keane, 38, of Cary, who arrived with her son, Miles, 13, at midnight, said she was buying only one item today: an iPod for her son.

“He really wanted this one thing,” Ms. Keane said. “So we're here for this one thing.”

Ms. Keane, who was recently laid off from her job at an insurance company, said she was on a budget this year because her unemployment checks were also helping support family in Colorado.

“I really can't focus on gifts,” she said. “I have to focus more on helping them pay their bills. It's hard,” she said of being a single mom on a small income. “I've always filled the tree. But you have to be honest. This year, I'll do the best I can.”

Best Buy, which threw its doors open at 5 a.m. offered such early morning specials as a 49-inch Panasonic plasma HDTV for $899.99 (U.S.) and a $189.99 GPS device by Garmin. Toys “R” Us, was offering up to 60 per cent discounts from 5 a.m. to 10 a.m.

But it was clear that despite the crowds that showed up for the early morning deals, shoppers' worries about the economy — massive layoffs, tightening credit and dwindling retirement accounts — tempered buying.

Many consumers, clutching the store circulars, were focused on a few items Friday and said they were slashing their overall holiday budgets from a year ago as they juggle paying their rent and other bills while putting food on the table.

“I have never slept here before to save a few bucks, but with the economy so bad I thought that even a few dollars helps. Saving a few bucks here and there helps,” said Analita Garcia of Falls Church, Va., who arrived at a local Best Buy store at 7 a.m. Thursday with 10 other family members. She bought a Dynax LCD 32-inch TV for $400, slashed from $500, along with an iPod and several DVDs.

“This year a lot of people I know won't be getting Christmas presents. I have to pay the rent and bills, and I have two little ones at home to think of,” Ms. Garcia added.

At the Best Buy store in Syracuse, N.Y., a line snaked past stores and around walkways on the second floor of Carousel Center a few moments before the store's 5 a.m. opening — about eight hours after some people near the front of the line had arrived. Rob Schoeneck, the mall's manager, estimated about 1,000 people were waiting for the electronics store to open and said the crowd was about the same size as a year ago.

Inside, Kira Carinci, 33, a teacher from Cicero, N.Y., searched for the $80 “Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock” video game and guitar controller bundle for her son but said she is more concerned about money than she was last holiday season. She said she had set aside a certain amount for Christmas spending.

“I don't usually save, so this year is a little different,” she said.

Black Friday — which falls on the day after Thanksgiving and officially starts the holiday shopping period — received its name because it historically was the day when a surge of shoppers helped stores break into profitability for the full year. But this year, with rampant promotions of up to 70 per cent throughout the month amid a deteriorating economy, the power of this landmark day for the retail industry could be fading.

Still, while it isn't a predictor of holiday season sales, the day after Thanksgiving is an important barometer of people's willingness to spend for the rest of the season. And particularly this year, analysts will dissect how the economy is shaping shoppers' buying habits, including whether they will spring for big-ticket items or focus on small purchases like gloves and hats.

Another issue that Wall Street analysts are watching is how shoppers will pay for the gifts. Shoppers, who may be maxed out on their credit cards or trying to manage to their money better, have been increasingly using cash or debit cards instead of credit cards to pay for purchases in recent months.

“No credit cards this year,” said Linda Patton of Louisburg, N.C. who was shopping at a local Wal-Mart on Friday. “We're trying not to carry over any bills.”

Last year, the Thanksgiving shopping weekend of Friday through Sunday accounted for about 10 per cent of overall holiday sales, according to ShopperTrak RCT Corp.

The group hasn't released estimates for Black Friday sales this year, but experts believe it will remain one of the season's biggest selling days, even as shoppers remain deliberate in their spending.

Britt Beemer, chairman of America's Research Group, expects to see the surge of shoppers dramatically taper off throughout the day and into the weekend.

“I think we are going to see the busiest Black Friday ever, but will it carry over past 10 a.m.?” he said. “The bottom line is a great Black Friday does not make a season.”

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 Post subject: Pathetic: Wal-Mart worker killed in bargain-hunting stampede
PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:23 pm 
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I just talked to my mother-in-law, who's sister was out first thing this morning. She said she saw two people literally in a fist fight over the last Guitar Hero at Wal-Mart.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:51 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:31 pm 
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My father (he walks with a cane) once got knocked down and stomped on a bit on black friday at either Wal or K-Mart. My Uncle (big guy) was able to pull him up before he got hurt. He's never gone again for the opening of the store.

I once went to Best Buy when it opened on Black Friday and when the doors were opened, everyone on line just started running in.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:49 pm 
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Do not.

Go to a store of any kind.

On Black fucking Friday.

It ain't that complicated, folks.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:50 pm 
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Sad story.

Also, this thread title points out the importance of the colon in punctuation.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:53 pm 
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Frank L. Sisko wrote:
Do not.

Go to a store of any kind.

On Black fucking Friday.

It ain't that complicated, folks.


I just did. I'm fine.

99.99% of people that do are fine.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:55 pm 
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Put that number back in your ass where it came from, sir.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:16 pm 
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Frank L. Sisko wrote:
Put that number back in your ass where it came from, sir.


Okay, the number is bullshit, but the point still stands.

It's fine to shop during Black Friday for the vast majority of people.


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Put that cock back in my ass where it came from, sir.


Of course, you knew that was coming.


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That's what she said.

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When I was in retail the department store that I worked for had a Black Friday promotion where the first 100 people received a box of Cracker Jack with a % Off Coupon inside. Lots of the people just poured the contents onto the floor, picked up their coupon and moved on.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:28 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Frank L. Sisko wrote:
Put that number back in your ass where it came from, sir.


Okay, the number is bullshit, but the point still stands.

It's fine to shop during Black Friday for the vast majority of people.


probably 99.999%

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A co-worker just told me about that before I left work today. That is a sad story.

I also heard that a pregnant women got into a fight and had a miscarriage.
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Rob Steinbrenner wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Frank L. Sisko wrote:
Put that number back in your ass where it came from, sir.


Okay, the number is bullshit, but the point still stands.

It's fine to shop during Black Friday for the vast majority of people.


probably 99.999%


Define "fine".


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Only once have I been in a store on Black Friday and only by complete accident. My work books were in dire need of replacing, I had the day off, and headed down to the mall without realizing what day it was.

I've never had to wait in line to browse shelves before. Honestly can't see why anyone would willingly go through that shit. I just ordered a bunch of stuff off Amazon.com.

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Okay, just when you think it can't get worse... jeezus!!!!!

Shoppers shoot each other in U.S. toy store

PALM DESERT, Calif.–Two people were shot dead in a crowded toy store on Black Friday in a confrontation apparently involving rival groups, city officials said.

Palm Desert Councillor Jim Ferguson said police told him two men with handguns shot and killed each other. Ferguson said he asked police whether the incident was a dispute over a toy or whether it was gang-related. He said police told him they were not going to release further details until the victims' relatives were notified.

"I think the obvious question everyone has is who takes loaded weapons into a Toys "R" Us?" he said. "I doubt it was the casual holiday shopper."

City spokesperson Sheila Gilligan said police told her the shooting broke out between "two groups of individuals that have a dispute with each other."

The Palm Desert Police Department received calls of shots fired around 11:35 a.m., Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said. He said officers were still investigating what prompted the gunshots.

Immediately after the shooting, about 20 people rushed into the World Gym across the street from Toys 'R' Us, the gym's assistant manager Glenn Splain told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

"They were crying, tearing and shaking," Splain said, adding that one woman came in cradling a baby.

"Some people got into a fight," said Splain, who spoke with some of the customers. "One of the guys here thought it was over a toy, but it got louder and louder and then there were gunshots."

Sarah Pacia of Cathedral City told The Desert Sun newspaper she was in the store with her two boys, ages 4 and 6, looking at colouring books when she heard a commotion in the next aisle. She thought it was people rushing to get a sale item. Then she heard three or four shots.

She said she froze, and store employees calmly escorted her out of the store.

"This is Toys 'R' Us. There are kids shopping in there," Pacia said. Her son Jayden, 4, was clinging to her leg. He told her he didn't want to die, she said.

Toys 'R' Us officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Palm Desert is a resort town about 180 kilometres east of Los Angeles.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:00 pm 
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I won't go into shops like that on Black Friday. I worked a number of years in retail during the holidays, but at least I was safe behind the counter. I remember my first ever Black Friday- I worked all day and loved it. Boy, was I green...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:49 am 
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Frank L. Sisko wrote:
Rob Steinbrenner wrote:
Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Frank L. Sisko wrote:
Put that number back in your ass where it came from, sir.


Okay, the number is bullshit, but the point still stands.

It's fine to shop during Black Friday for the vast majority of people.


probably 99.999%


Define "fine".


You won't die.

Also, if you're not one of the diehards that line up at 5am to 6am, and just go at a reasonable hour, you'll just experience a tight fit and some long lines. And if you are the diehard type, you'll probably experience some pushing, shoving and all, but if you're a reasonable perosn, you won't get into a fistfight or anything,


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