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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:11 pm 
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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
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We have quite a few Heep fans downstairs. AFAIK we have no Liefeld fans downstairs.

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:11 pm 
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I'm too lazy to read every Liefeld thread here, so I'll put my head on the chopping block and ask: Why the intense dislike for Rob Liefeld here?

I'm not asking this facetiously, or with any sense of irony.

Just curious...

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:17 pm 
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I think in most cases it's based 100% on the quality (or lack, thereof) of his work. He's a really bad artist who continues to get work on a regular basis, which is just sort of mind-boggling. In some cases it's probably also his lack of follow through on projects, either announcing them and then never doing them, or starting them but never producing more than a couple of issues. He's gotten more consistent with his work-for-hire jobs, but that's about it.

Here's a good starting point to understanding the hatred.

http://www.progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:19 pm 
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Well..... have you actually seen any of his "artwork"?

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:58 pm 
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Yep. First noticed him on Hawk & Dove back in the '80s and actually liked it.

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:08 pm 
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I don't hate Liefeld at all - he's probably a great guy. His artwork doesn't appeal to me at all. He, Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane artwork came to prominence during a period in which I think mainstream comics were the worst than they'd ever been, before or since. To me, they kind of epitomize that era, so I'll probably always have a knee-jerk negative reaction to their artwork, and those with similar styles.


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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
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I can't stand Liefeld's drawings. He's the worst there is at what he does, etc.


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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:39 pm 
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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:17 am 
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I think in most cases it's based 100% on the quality (or lack, thereof) of his work. He's a really bad artist who continues to get work on a regular basis, which is just sort of mind-boggling. In some cases it's probably also his lack of follow through on projects, either announcing them and then never doing them, or starting them but never producing more than a couple of issues. He's gotten more consistent with his work-for-hire jobs, but that's about it.

Here's a good starting point to understanding the hatred.

http://www.progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html


Liefeld also comes off as an arrogant jerk in interviews. He came off as awfully homophobic in reacting to one of his Marvel creations, Shatterstar, being revealed as a homosexual. ("Shatterstar is a warrior, and not a gay one.")

Alan Moore reinvented Liefeld's entire superhero universe back in the 90s, and in a recent interview Liefeld completely diminished Moore's contribution, all but calling Moore a hack.

Also, he swipes artwork from other people, really blatantly. Like not just a panel here or a panel there (although that does happen), but he'll just steal entire double-page spreads from other artists, without crediting them.

And he just generally seems like an idiot.


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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
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And he just generally seems like an idiot.

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:13 am 
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Ocean Doot wrote:
Monk wrote:
I think in most cases it's based 100% on the quality (or lack, thereof) of his work. He's a really bad artist who continues to get work on a regular basis, which is just sort of mind-boggling. In some cases it's probably also his lack of follow through on projects, either announcing them and then never doing them, or starting them but never producing more than a couple of issues. He's gotten more consistent with his work-for-hire jobs, but that's about it.

Here's a good starting point to understanding the hatred.

http://www.progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html


Liefeld also comes off as an arrogant jerk in interviews. He came off as awfully homophobic in reacting to one of his Marvel creations, Shatterstar, being revealed as a homosexual. ("Shatterstar is a warrior, and not a gay one.")

Alan Moore reinvented Liefeld's entire superhero universe back in the 90s, and in a recent interview Liefeld completely diminished Moore's contribution, all but calling Moore a hack.

Also, he swipes artwork from other people, really blatantly. Like not just a panel here or a panel there (although that does happen), but he'll just steal entire double-page spreads from other artists, without crediting them.

And he just generally seems like an idiot.


I LOVED his reaction to gay Shatterstar.

''He's NOT gay, and wouldn't be like that at all. He's like a SPARTAN WARRIOR.''



....he obviously doesn't know a thing about real life Spartan warriors...


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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:18 am 
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I liked PAD's in joke in X-Factor about it, too.

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:51 am 
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Ocean Doot wrote:
And he just generally seems like an idiot.


:lol:


Pretty much this.

My ire was raised back in the 90's when he kept bailing on or not even starting solicited projects. Some shady stuff.

And, he's a hack.


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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:56 am 
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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:14 am 
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Also, he swipes artwork from other people, really blatantly. Like not just a panel here or a panel there (although that does happen), but he'll just steal entire double-page spreads from other artists, without crediting them.


He swiped a whole two page spread by Perez from NTT(#39) for X-Force IIRC...

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:25 am 
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Prowl wrote:
Ocean Doot wrote:
Monk wrote:
I think in most cases it's based 100% on the quality (or lack, thereof) of his work. He's a really bad artist who continues to get work on a regular basis, which is just sort of mind-boggling. In some cases it's probably also his lack of follow through on projects, either announcing them and then never doing them, or starting them but never producing more than a couple of issues. He's gotten more consistent with his work-for-hire jobs, but that's about it.

Here's a good starting point to understanding the hatred.

http://www.progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html


Liefeld also comes off as an arrogant jerk in interviews. He came off as awfully homophobic in reacting to one of his Marvel creations, Shatterstar, being revealed as a homosexual. ("Shatterstar is a warrior, and not a gay one.")

Alan Moore reinvented Liefeld's entire superhero universe back in the 90s, and in a recent interview Liefeld completely diminished Moore's contribution, all but calling Moore a hack.

Also, he swipes artwork from other people, really blatantly. Like not just a panel here or a panel there (although that does happen), but he'll just steal entire double-page spreads from other artists, without crediting them.

And he just generally seems like an idiot.


I LOVED his reaction to gay Shatterstar.

''He's NOT gay, and wouldn't be like that at all. He's like a SPARTAN WARRIOR.''



....he obviously doesn't know a thing about real life Spartan warriors...

For the record the exact quote is:

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As the guy that created, designed and wrote his first dozen appearances, Shatterstar is not gay. Sorry. Can't wait to someday undo this... Shatterstar is akin to Maximus in Gladiator. He's a warrior, a Spartan, and not a gay one.


Really funny though.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:26 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:53 am 
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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:19 pm 
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Ocean Doot wrote:
Liefeld also comes off as an arrogant jerk in interviews. He came off as awfully homophobic in reacting to one of his Marvel creations, Shatterstar, being revealed as a homosexual. ("Shatterstar is a warrior, and not a gay one.")

Alan Moore reinvented Liefeld's entire superhero universe back in the 90s, and in a recent interview Liefeld completely diminished Moore's contribution, all but calling Moore a hack.

Also, he swipes artwork from other people, really blatantly. Like not just a panel here or a panel there (although that does happen), but he'll just steal entire double-page spreads from other artists, without crediting them.

And he just generally seems like an idiot.

I agree with this entirely if you put "Doot" in where it says "Liefeld" and "Eric" in where it says "Alan Moore". Thanks.

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 Post subject: Rob Liefeld
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:31 pm 
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Alan Moore reinvented Liefeld's entire superhero universe back in the 90s, and in a recent interview Liefeld completely diminished Moore's contribution, all but calling Moore a hack.

Do you have a link for this?

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