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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:35 am 
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Sad. Very sad. I just read that large Kirby book from a couple years ago by Evanier. While reading it I was trying to figure how much the omission of these men was intentional by Stan or honestly taken from his hands by the press. I also wondered to the extent that Stan propagated this belief in his being the sole creator not so much by outright saying he was but by not making a stronger effort to correct this misunderstanding regarding Marvel's creation and who was involved during the sixties and seventies.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:09 am 
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Who wrote it?

My guess would be one of the Editorial staff at what was the equivalent of Marvel UK/Panini back then. But either way, it's an indication & example of a mindset & view that seemed to go uncontested in a lot of these type of write ups back then.

Not to blame Stan for that, necessarily.

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The second highlight is too much, but the other two are essentially correct,



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:42 pm 
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Sad. Very sad. I just read that large Kirby book from a couple years ago by Evanier. While reading it I was trying to figure how much the omission of these men was intentional by Stan or honestly taken from his hands by the press. I also wondered to the extent that Stan propagated this belief in his being the sole creator not so much by outright saying he was but by not making a stronger effort to correct this misunderstanding regarding Marvel's creation and who was involved during the sixties and seventies.


Stan was out there saying the same thing in the early days. Ditko couldn't put up with it any longer -- it was a violation of his integrity and he left in 1966.

Kirby, as more of the accepted "company man," hung on three years longer, but ultimately had to leave as well.

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I'm enjoying my recent purchase of the Action Heroes Archive. This page is from the issue with the first appearance of the Question, a Ditko creation that seemed to be high on integrity and ferreting out pretenders.

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Li'l Jay wrote:
Tony Vitale wrote:
Sad. Very sad. I just read that large Kirby book from a couple years ago by Evanier. While reading it I was trying to figure how much the omission of these men was intentional by Stan or honestly taken from his hands by the press. I also wondered to the extent that Stan propagated this belief in his being the sole creator not so much by outright saying he was but by not making a stronger effort to correct this misunderstanding regarding Marvel's creation and who was involved during the sixties and seventies.


Stan was out there saying the same thing in the early days. Ditko couldn't put up with it any longer -- it was a violation of his integrity and he left in 1966.

Kirby, as more of the accepted "company man," hung on three years longer, but ultimately had to leave as well.

Kirby had to stay, as he had to provide for his family.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Marcus wrote:
Li'l Jay wrote:
Tony Vitale wrote:
Sad. Very sad. I just read that large Kirby book from a couple years ago by Evanier. While reading it I was trying to figure how much the omission of these men was intentional by Stan or honestly taken from his hands by the press. I also wondered to the extent that Stan propagated this belief in his being the sole creator not so much by outright saying he was but by not making a stronger effort to correct this misunderstanding regarding Marvel's creation and who was involved during the sixties and seventies.


Stan was out there saying the same thing in the early days. Ditko couldn't put up with it any longer -- it was a violation of his integrity and he left in 1966.

Kirby, as more of the accepted "company man," hung on three years longer, but ultimately had to leave as well.

Kirby had to stay, as he had to provide for his family.


But he left.

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Li'l Jay wrote:
I'm enjoying my recent purchase of the Action Heroes Archive. This page is from the issue with the first appearance of the Question, a Ditko creation that seemed to be high on integrity and ferreting out pretenders.

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What's with the shitty lettering?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:21 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:27 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Li'l Jay wrote:
I'm enjoying my recent purchase of the Action Heroes Archive. This page is from the issue with the first appearance of the Question, a Ditko creation that seemed to be high on integrity and ferreting out pretenders.

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What's with the shitty lettering?

I'm surprised there's color. Ditko's non-big-two work is basically fanzines and might as well be stapled together xeroxes as far as production quality. His art is fine, but that's it


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That's his Charlton work, where he created the Question and Ted Kord. Now owned by DC of course.

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So I guess what I'm saying, Jeff, is that your comment would really apply to his work outside of Big Two plus Charlton.

And for the Warren work (Creepy, etc.), it was black and white but the production value was great -- the work of 1960's Warren was awesome, the heir apparent to EC Comics, in my view.

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Li'l Jay wrote:
That's his Charlton work, where he created the Question and Ted Kord. Now owned by DC of course.

Oh, ok. Yeah, I seem to remember the (very few) Charlton books I had as a kid having that awful balloon shape and lettering. Was it line-wide?


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What's with the shitty lettering?


It's called "Leroy lettering".

It was used most famously in comics by EC.

http://www.tech-writer.net/leroyletteringtemplates.html

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Hanzo the Razor wrote:

What's with the shitty lettering?


It's called "Leroy lettering".

It was used most famously in comics by EC.

http://www.tech-writer.net/leroyletteringtemplates.html

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When I was a draftsman and was working on site engineering plans, we used those all the time.

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Sad. Very sad. I just read that large Kirby book from a couple years ago by Evanier. While reading it I was trying to figure how much the omission of these men was intentional by Stan or honestly taken from his hands by the press. I also wondered to the extent that Stan propagated this belief in his being the sole creator not so much by outright saying he was but by not making a stronger effort to correct this misunderstanding regarding Marvel's creation and who was involved during the sixties and seventies.


Stan was out there saying the same thing in the early days. Ditko couldn't put up with it any longer -- it was a violation of his integrity and he left in 1966.

Kirby, as more of the accepted "company man," hung on three years longer, but ultimately had to leave as well.

Kirby had to stay, as he had to provide for his family.


But he left.

Right, after he secured work at DC.

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