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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:27 pm |
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Okay...
A suped-up Doctor Strange comes the closest so far to besting the Hulk, but falls short when the Hulk does something heroic that makes Strange doubt his own righteousness. The Hulk has the Illuminati (minus Namor and Prof X) battle each other in Madison Square Garden and "Reed" appears to be victorious, but his control disc is frying his brain. If he's a skrull, he won't be able to hold up the facade for very much longer.
Oh and yeah, that Sentry character departs for NYC muttering "It's time to play God."
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:34 pm |
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:45 pm |
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Greg Pak = teh awesome. This is the first event that I'm picking up all of the tie-ins for and I like most of them. Heroes for Hire is giving some insight into the Brood and Miek, but mostly it is irrelevant. Incredible Hulk is almost essential, Avengers: The Initiative explains a bit here and there but is not integral to the main story, however Slott has used WWH to build even further on the tale he is crafting in that book. Excellent stuff, Slott is the man. The two Iron Man issues make Stark to be a little bit of a sympathetic character, but I still don't like him. WWH:X-Men was freakin great too. I mean, Hulk beating the crap out of every X-Man alive today (including a fully-powered Juggernaut(and what is Juggernaut doing in the X-Men?!?!?)) is good eats. Ghost Rider's two issues were worthless. So was the Ant-Man issue, but I think it was part of a last ditch effort to save the series. Overall, this, to me, is a great series, but maybe I'm a bit biased seeing as how I was a huge Hulk fan before this...
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:47 pm |
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:53 pm |
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Ant-Man just had the one issue. Front Line, to me, seems like it should be read, considering that the book was created solely as a companion to WWH and Civil War. Gamma Corps is interesting. I was wondering if Stryker was ever gonna join the action.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:20 pm |
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:35 pm |
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I actually did like the Ghost Rider issue because it seemed to validate the Hulk's mission. The Spirit of Vengeance, according to Dr Strange, has infinite power to carry out his mission... but as a spirit of vengeance, he couldn't interfere with said mission because the Illuminati weren't innocent.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:06 pm |
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Darin wrote: I actually did like the Ghost Rider issue because it seemed to validate the Hulk's mission. The Spirit of Vengeance, according to Dr Strange, has infinite power to carry out his mission... but as a spirit of vengeance, he couldn't interfere with said mission because the Illuminati weren't innocent.
That's a good point, that is not something I thought about when posting. I think that to take two issues to do that, though, is a bit much, but that's decompressed story for you! Otherwise known as The Way Things Are. The books served one purpose, though, because now I am buying GR monthly. I dig the whole Satan's-split-into-666-pieces-and-now-Johnny Blaze-has-to-collect-them story. Kinda like a darker "13 Ghosts of Scooby-doo."
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:15 pm |
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This is the first issue of the mini I haven't liked.
I don't get the bit with super-demonized Strange, but it seemed silly to me. And the business with making the Illuminati beat each other up? THAT'S the Hulk's big revenge scheme? Lame. Wouldn't he want to knock them into dog food himself?
I guess the Sentry will deus ex machina his way into wrapping things up next month. He's been a giant yawn to me almost since the word go, so I'm not too optimistic about WWH #5.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:32 pm |
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I think the Hulk's plan is to make them go through what he went through. Next up would be losing someone they love, and that'll probably be when the Sentry shows up.
They explain the demonic Doctor Strange thing on Newsarama (though, yes, they shouldn't really have to) thusly:
Quote: Greg Pak: Way back in Strange Tales #156 and #157, Dr. Strange summoned an extradimensional demon named Zom in order to battle Umar, Mistress of the Dark Dimension. Crazy hijinks ensued, including Umar hightailing it back to the Dark Dimension, Zom announcing that all of mankind shall fall before him, Strange defeating Zom by the handy expedient of severing his topknot, and the Living Tribunal showing up to condemn the Earth to destruction because by severing Zom's aforementioned topknot, Strange had "awakened a sense of evil which had slumbered for ages in the bosom of the mystics of mankind." Good times!
NRAMA: Undoubtedly. But how in the world did you ever find him for use in this storyline? Was this something as uber geeky as you always wanted to have Strange sip from that bottle again, someday, or, in the early drafts you knew that you needed Strange to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Hulk, and Zom was found later? Mark Paniccia: Greg called me up and tells me he's discovered this really cool element to add to the Strange scene..."ZOM!" He starts explaining the spike/mace ball hands and that Strange will have a flaming head and I'm thinking of how cool this visual is gonna be. Plus, it tied into Doc's broken hands. It was perfect. When I saw what Johnny designed, I just smiled. This 20 foot tall amalgamation of Doctor Strange and the devil himself looked like he could give Hulk a serious run for his money.
GP: We always knew that after trying and failing to end “World War Hulk" by reaching his friend Bruce Banner, Strange would be pushed over the edge. Zom was the perfect continuity-based element from Strange's past to draw upon. As Mark says, it made sense down to some of the smallest details -- Strange's hands had just been crushed, but his Zomified state would give him maces for hands.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:35 pm |
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I repeat: Silly. To me.
YMMV.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:35 pm |
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Monk wrote: I think the Hulk's plan is to make them go through what he went through. Next up would be losing someone they love, and that'll probably be when the Sentry shows up. They explain the demonic Doctor Strange thing on Newsarama (though, yes, they shouldn't really have to) thusly: Quote: Greg Pak: Way back in Strange Tales #156 and #157, Dr. Strange summoned an extradimensional demon named Zom in order to battle Umar, Mistress of the Dark Dimension. Crazy hijinks ensued, including Umar hightailing it back to the Dark Dimension, Zom announcing that all of mankind shall fall before him, Strange defeating Zom by the handy expedient of severing his topknot, and the Living Tribunal showing up to condemn the Earth to destruction because by severing Zom's aforementioned topknot, Strange had "awakened a sense of evil which had slumbered for ages in the bosom of the mystics of mankind." Good times!
NRAMA: Undoubtedly. But how in the world did you ever find him for use in this storyline? Was this something as uber geeky as you always wanted to have Strange sip from that bottle again, someday, or, in the early drafts you knew that you needed Strange to be able to go toe-to-toe with the Hulk, and Zom was found later? Mark Paniccia: Greg called me up and tells me he's discovered this really cool element to add to the Strange scene..."ZOM!" He starts explaining the spike/mace ball hands and that Strange will have a flaming head and I'm thinking of how cool this visual is gonna be. Plus, it tied into Doc's broken hands. It was perfect. When I saw what Johnny designed, I just smiled. This 20 foot tall amalgamation of Doctor Strange and the devil himself looked like he could give Hulk a serious run for his money.
GP: We always knew that after trying and failing to end “World War Hulk" by reaching his friend Bruce Banner, Strange would be pushed over the edge. Zom was the perfect continuity-based element from Strange's past to draw upon. As Mark says, it made sense down to some of the smallest details -- Strange's hands had just been crushed, but his Zomified state would give him maces for hands.
Yeah. Waaaaay too obscure a reference. Pak is still teh awesome, though.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:10 pm |
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Frank L. Sisko wrote: And the business with making the Illuminati beat each other up? THAT'S the Hulk's big revenge scheme? Lame. Wouldn't he want to knock them into dog food himself?
It's in keeping with the character.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:39 pm |
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Paulie Walnuts wrote: Yeah. Waaaaay too obscure a reference.
Eh, I was fine with it - and I never read the material being referenced. If such an obscure reference was used to defeat the Hulk, I might well object. But no - Strange/Zom lost in the end. I got a kick out of Strange kicking @$$ for a while this way, without quite winning. I hope that the lame-ass Sentry character will be handled similarly. I have little interest in a deus-ex-lameass-Sentry ending. He should get his @$$ kicked, and then resolve the main storyline by other means. Like a traitor among the Warbound, allied with the Skrulls, for example. Just sayin'.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:44 pm |
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I think they're clearly setting the Sentry up to fail. He's told by Stark to "play God". Look what happened to the Illuminati when they decided to play God with the Hulk.
Just sayin'.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:44 pm |
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I don't care for the Sentry either. There doesn't appear to be anything very original about the character to me. He's basically a Marvel superman... the only difference between Sentry and Gladiator is that Gladiator always gets beat.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:49 pm |
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The difference between The Sentry and Superman (or Gladiator, for that matter) is that the Sentry constantly has the fear of doing too much, using too much power, and unleashing The Void if he does so. It's a twist, in a way, on the "With great power must come great responsiblity" in that he has to choose carefully how and when he uses his power.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:07 pm |
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Monk wrote: I think they're clearly setting the Sentry up to fail. He's told by Stark to "play God". Look what happened to the Illuminati when they decided to play God with the Hulk.
Just sayin'.
Agreed. Lameass-Sentry is probably toast. But given that this will be the last issue of the mini, it's remotely possible that Lame-ass Sentry will be the one to finally win. (Cf. DC's lame-ass attempts to convince people that Kyle was the One True Green Lantern after they wrote off Hal. Back in the day, relatively speaking.) Sure, most fans would remain unconvinced. But the higher-ups at Marvel have demonstrated a recurring inclination to show Sentry as something other than lame-assed, despite his inherently lame-assed origins and lame-assed behavior in most appearances to date. So yes, lame-ass Sentry will probably get his head and heart handed back in a handbasket. Or he should, really. But I don't entirely trust the people running Marvel these days, so we'll just have to see what happens.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:12 pm |
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:29 pm |
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Putting it another way, the Sentry is indeed an original twist on the idea of Superman. But he's not nearly as fun to read about. I say this as someone who has always preferred Batman to Superman anyway: I would really much rather read about Superman than Sentry. Superman at least tries. And tries damn hard, in those rare occasions where he is seriously challenged. Sentry... not so much. Sentry is just a pathetic, neurotic mess of conflicting impulses. Uninteresting except to a few undergrad Psychology washouts who may recognize some failed models for human behavior. Have fun with that.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:48 pm |
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Monk wrote: The difference between The Sentry and Superman (or Gladiator, for that matter) is that the Sentry constantly has the fear of doing too much, using too much power, and unleashing The Void if he does so. It's a twist, in a way, on the "With great power must come great responsiblity" in that he has to choose carefully how and when he uses his power.
That difference isn't a difference at all, merely an emphasis shift. Superman has had to worry about using too much power from time-to-time as well. Thematically, there's little if any difference in my view. Sentry's phobias parallel the Martian Manhunter's pyrophobia also. I just don't see anything terribly original about the Sentry character.
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Post subject: World War Hulk #4 (of 5) SPOILERS Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:50 pm |
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