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Bob
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:16 pm |
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Just watched 3:10 to Yuma.
I was totally with it until about the last fifteen minutes. Then, it all kind of fell apart for me. The problem is 1) It becomes pretty unbelievable at that point, and 2) You could argue that the villain still comes off looking "cooler" than the hero (and that he didn't necessarily lose.).
Not a bad movie, but that last fifteen minutes did almost ruin it for me. They were doing so good up until then, too. Aarrrgghh!!!
There are some good performances, especially by Bale and Crowe. Overall, though, I have to say that I prefer the original.
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Kevin
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:12 am |
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I saw it last night, and Bob summed up my feelings exactly. I could have lived with # 1, but the resolution was unsatisfactory for me. Maybe a "Director's Cut" will provide an alternate ending....
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Bob
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:25 am |
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Yay! Someone else saw it! Now, I can bitch!
That ending was horrible.
If the movie had set out to cynically comment on moral ambiguity, then that would be one thing. However, it set itself up from the beginning as a morality play. What, then, is the moral of this movie? Is virtue really it's own reward when the hero dies and the villain ends up looking cool? The villain goes to prison, but he's escaped there twice already and isn't concerned. Adding more insult to that injury - Crowe whistles and his horse follows the train, hinting that Crowe probably will escape. Furthermore, Bale only succeeded, because Crowe decided to help him. He didn't help Bale because he had any real "change of heart" either. He seemed to decide that either Bale won some respect from him, or he was just playing along for fun (It seemed to me to be as much of the latter as the former.). In any case, Crowe is such a vicious bastard that he was willing to turn on his gang and kill them. For this, he ends up with a smirk on his face, while the hero dies. Why risk yourself like Bale, in this sort of world? Why not be like the marshall and deputies who just decided to walk away?
Seriously - WTF was the matter with the people who wrote this script? The more I think about that ending, the more annoyed I get.
Is Kevin Costner the only one who can make a decent Western anymore (unless Eastwood decides to direct another one, but I've seen no hint of that.)?
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Kevin
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:42 pm |
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I agree with you about Crowe's character, Ben Wade; like you, the more I think about it, the more dissatisfied I am that he will completely escape justice. In modern terms, he was a borderline sociopath. The small signs of conscience or feeling that he occasionally showed (pointing out that McElroy was just as much of a killer, not killing Dan's son and getting on the train) were far outweighed by his murderous actions throughout the rest of the film. Even getting on the train was really a hollow act because it's clear that he will soon escape, probably before the train even reaches Yuma.
Dan did leave a legacy; his actions and commitment saved his family's farm and future (provided the railroad man follows through on his promise) and showed his son what a real man should be. That's not much comfort to his widow and sons, though.
As for your last question, you shouldn't be like the marshal and deputies that walked away because they were gunned down as soon as they walked out of the hotel and laid down their weapons!
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Bob
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:26 pm |
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Oh, yeah. Forgot about that last part.
If I had to bet on it, I'd wager that the filmmakers were intimidated by Crowe's star power. It's Russell Crowe, so he has to look cool, no matter what. Bad, bad judgement, in any case.
I was looking forward to this movie, so I'm really disappointed. I hate it when the ending ruins what could have been a good film.
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Judge WAN
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:33 pm |
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Bob wrote: Not a bad movie, but that last fifteen minutes did almost ruin it for me. They were doing so good up until then, too. Aarrrgghh!!!
There are some good performances, especially by Bale and Crowe. Overall, though, I have to say that I prefer the original.
That's funny because that's how The Prestige kinda came off to me as well.
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:02 am |
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Judge WAN wrote: That's funny because that's how The Prestige kinda came off to me as well. Har! My brother HATED that ending.........we still argue about it all the time.(I liked it........I liked it even more, when I realised how much he hated it  )
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Steve
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:24 am |
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I have to respectfully totally disagree with all you all. I loved 3:10 to Yuma and thought the ending made perfect sense.
I think you're not understanding Russell Crowe's character's motivation. He's doing what he did for Bale's character because he learns that Bale was never a hero, and he figures that Bale should die that way, with everyone believing that yes, he was a hero. So he helps him achieve that, knowing full well that he'll escape anyway.
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Rob Steinbrenner
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:35 am |
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My brother said it was an unbelievably good movie.
Probably have no time until dvd though/
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:41 pm |
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Steve wrote: I have to respectfully totally disagree with all you all. I loved 3:10 to Yuma and thought the ending made perfect sense. I think you're not understanding Russell Crowe's character's motivation. He's doing what he did for Bale's character because he learns that Bale was never a hero, and he figures that Bale should die that way, with everyone believing that yes, he was a hero. So he helps him achieve that, knowing full well that he'll escape anyway.
Just because Wade actually developed some respect for Dan and got on the train "knowing he was going to escape" doesn't even begin to make up for the monstrous crimes he committed. Do you think Dan's son isn't going to ever learn that the notorious Ben Wade is on the loose again? Honestly, I'm a little offended that you think I don't like the end because I "don't understand" Wade's motivation. I understand it just fine, but I also see it for the hollow gesture that it was.
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Bob
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:58 pm |
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I'm basically with Kevin on this.
The problem, to me, isn't Wade's motivation so much as the fact that the villain (and a very sociopathic villain) ends up looking "cool," while the hero still looks like a bit of a pathetic loser. Bale's character dies and only achieved his heroism with the help of Crowe's character - and it's likely all for naught, since the film implies that Crowe's character is going to escape, anyway. That whole "message" is cynical, mean-spirited and just plain wrong!
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Steve
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:56 pm |
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What do you call a camel with three humps?
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I'm sorry, I'm just not getting the same impression that you all are. We'll have to agree to disagree. Except you're wrong. 
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:11 pm |
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As are you! 
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Bob
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:40 pm |
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Steve wrote: We'll have to agree to disagree.
No!
Sorry, but we must fight from now until doomsday.
HONOR DEMANDS IT!!!!!!
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:26 pm |
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My wife and I enjoyed it a lot.
Dan showed courage and determination in the face of insurmountable odds. He had lacked commitment in the past (wounded in retreat) but was now determined to do whatever was necessary to save his family's farm and future. Dan showed his son what a real man should be by doing the right thing when NOBODY else would. Wade helped by showing Dan's son that a killer has no loyalty to anyone (even his own gang) and that Wade's kind of life was not the path for Dan's son.
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:11 pm |
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Just saw it...great flic but as Bob said it does indeed fall apart at the end...which is too bad because the acting was great as was the pacing and action throughout.
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Li'l Jay
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:57 am |
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Steve wrote: I'm sorry, I'm just not getting the same impression that you all are. We'll have to agree to disagree. Except you're wrong.  Late to the party, but Steve was the most correct in this thread. I just watched this last night for the first time, and I loved it. Best film I've seen in a while, and certainly best western I've seen in years. Man, that was a different kind of film. Some of the criticisms I'm reading here in this thread are overly sentimental, in my view. They seem to reflect a view that things are a certain way, and so the film should come out a certain way. But everything, and I mean just about every single thing, points in the opposite direction in this film. Ben Wade lives in a nihilistic, godless universe. He is the master of it. But he is touched by some indescribable power in Dan's character. Something he can't touch. Something he thinks he maybe missed the boat on. Dan is a giant of a man -- and flowing against all film convention and trite devices, it's not because he's tough or smart, skilled, or even lucky. It is the totally of his character that is like the Rock of Gibraltar. He is (to me) the quintissential pioneer American -- he is determined to make a go of it on the farm, and determined that he will never, ever give up. As events unfold, we the audience become overwhelmed at the almost supernatural iron will he displays, at the sense of duty that is awakened in Dan. And we sense that Ben feels it to -- that since the first time in his life since his mother left him at 8 with that Bible, he feels a stirring of meaning in his heart. Not redemption, not goodness. Just that he can't help himself for rooting for Dan. SPOILER LEVEL INCREASE FOLLOWS The last 15 minutes is the most unconventional heroism I can remember seeing. It is bold, bold, "I will not give up, no matter what," and Ben is the one who's will is bent -- it's suggested more and more clearly that he's helping Dan, by running with gusto, and by warning him. Then it becomes explicit -- he doesn't want Dan to fail. Ben has not become a "good" man (if there is such a thing). But he has been deeply affected, and on that day he has decided that Dan was the biggest heart he's ever seen. Dan got him to the train. Ben shoots his whole gang, not just because Dan must succeed, but because he is a bit disgusted with them and how his life has turned out. One wonders what kind of life Ben could have led (with his super skill) if he had been inspired by a Dan-figure early in life (as Dan's son now is). One wonders what it really is that lives within our human hearts that gives us a sense of transcendant honor, and good. Ben has seen it for the first time. Dan went out in a way that we could all hope for. Ben may escape, but I'm not sure he will ever forget what he might have been.
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Post subject: 3:10 to Yuma Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:15 am |
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