It's been picked up for a third season, so I'm changing the title to make this an ongoing thread for the entire series, if anyWAN else would like to join Charles.
The first episode was pretty entertaining until the end. If you've seen this episode and read the book, I think the ending was a big swing and a miss for me. It should've been Red Wedding level shock, and it just wasn't.
I don't think it had a shot at a Red Wedding impact. If only because the RW happened to characters who had been central to the show from the beginning. On HotD, the characters were so minor I can't even find the actors' names to determine if they had appeared prior to this episode. It doesn't even score points for depravity, given the thoroughly desensitized Game of Thrones audience, who have been reconciling their Sunday night entertainment with infant stabbings and brutal rape since 2011.
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I don't think it had a shot at a Red Wedding impact. If only because the RW happened to characters who had been central to the show from the beginning. On HotD, the characters were so minor I can't even find the actors' names to determine if they had appeared prior to this episode. It doesn't even score points for depravity, given the thoroughly desensitized Game of Thrones audience, who have been reconciling their Sunday night entertainment with infant stabbings and brutal rape since 2011.
If they had done it like in the book, it would have been much more impactful, intense, and disturbing. In the book, the mother is forced to choose between her two sons (not a son and daughter as depicted in the show), She chooses the younger boy, hoping that he is too small to understand. Instead, the assassins murder the other child, and taunt the survivor with the knowledge that his mother chose to forfeit his life. The mother loses her mind with grief and guilt.
I've had issues with everybody on this show looking the same, but it really worked tonight. I've read the book but don't remember any of this.
I enjoyed the scenes of the brothers narrowly avoiding each other, which had the the tone of a slapstick Dark Shadows subplot. Then once the action started, the suspense was practically Hitchcockian. Unlike last week, not knowing who anyone was added to the tension and uncertainty. It was a very well done.
I'm still not sure who was the good twin and who was the evil one. (Which is true to life; I have twin nephews on whom the jury is still out.)
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So much of the episode was very familiar HBO/GoT style cost-saving battle depictions such only showing aftermath, or having characters exposit the events, that it felt like a parody. Or a fake out. So I suspected something impressive awaited. Indeed, pretty cool.
I appreciated how the army uniforms and equipment like the wooden shields looked a hundred or so years more medieval than what was seen on GoT.
This portion in the book is eight paragraphs long totaling around 800 words. Only four words of dialogue. They're really creating a lot for this show.
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Back in July, I promised you some further thoughts about Blood and Cheese… and Maelor the Missing… after my commentary on the first two episodes of HotD season 2, “A Son for a Son” and “Rhaenyra the Cruel.”
Those were terrific episodes: well written, well directed, powerfully acted. A great way to kick off the new season. Fans and critics alike seemed to agree. There was only one aspect of the episodes that drew significant criticism: the handling of Blood and Cheese, and the death of Prince Jaehaerys. From the commentary I saw on line, opinion was split there. The readers of FIRE & BLOOD found the sequence underwhelming, a disappointment, watered down from what they were expecting. Viewers who had not read the book had no such problems. Most of them found the sequence a real gut-punch, tragic, horrifying, nightmarish, etc. Some reported being reduced to tears.
I found myself agreeing with both sides.
In my book, Aegon and Helaena have three children, not two. The twins, Jaehaerys and Jaehaera, are six years old. They have a younger brother, Maelor, who is two. When Blood and Cheese break in on Helaena and the kids, they tell her they are debt collectors come to exact revenge for the death of Prince Lucerys: a son for a son. As Helaena has two sons, however, they demand that she choose which one should die. She resists and offers her own life instead, but the killers insist it has to be a son. If she does not name one, they will kill all three of the children. To save the life of the twins, Helaena names Maelor. But Blood kills the older boy, Jaehaerys, instead, while Cheese tells little Maelor that his mother wanted him dead. (Whether the boy is old enough to understand that is not at all certain).
That’s not how it happens on the show. There is no Maelor in HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, only the twins (both of whom look younger than six, but I am no sure judge of children’s ages, so I can’t be sure how old they are supposed to be). Blood can’t seem to tell the twins apart, so Helaena is asked to reveal which one is the boy. (You would think a glance up his PJs would reveal that, without involving the mother). Instead of offering her own life to save the kids, Helaena offers them a necklace. Blood and Cheese are not tempted. Blood saws Prince Jaehaerys’s head off. We are spared the sight of that; a sound effect suffices. (In the book, he lops the head off with a sword).
It is a bloody, brutal scene, no doubt. How not? An innocent child is being butchered in front of his mother.
I still believe the scene in the book is stronger. The readers have the right of that. The two killers are crueler in the book. I thought the actors who played the killers on the show were excellent… but the characters are crueler, harder, and more frightening in FIRE & BLOOD. In the show, Blood is a gold cloak. In the book, he is a former gold cloak, stripped of his office for beating a woman to death. Book Blood is the sort of man who might think making a woman choose which of her sons should die is amusing, especially when they double down on the wanton cruelty by murdering the boy she tries to save. Book Cheese is worse too; he does not kick a dog, true, but he does not have a dog, and he’s the one who tells Maelor that his mom wants him head. I would also suggest that Helaena shows more courage, more strength in the book, by offering her own own life to save her son. Offering a piece of jewelry is just not the same.
As I saw it, the “Sophie’s Choice” aspect was the strongest part of the sequence, the darkest, the most visceral. I hated to lose that. And judging from the comments on line, most of the fans seemed to agree.
When Ryan Condal first told me what he meant to do, ages ago (back in 2022, might be) I argued against it, for all these reasons. I did not argue long, or with much heat, however. The change weakened the sequence, I felt, but only a bit. And Ryan had what seemed to be practical reasons for it; they did not want to deal with casting another child, especially a two-year old toddler. Kids that young will inevitably slow down production, and there would be budget implications. Budget was already an issue on HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, it made sense to save money wherever we could. Moreover, Ryan assured me that we were not losing Prince Maelor, simply postponing him. Queen Helaena could still give birth to him in season three, presumably after getting with child late in season two. That made sense to me, so I withdrew my objections and acquiesced to the change.
I still love the episode, and the Blood and Cheese sequence overall. Losing the “Helaena’s Choice” beat did weaken the scene, but not to any great degree. Only the book readers would even notice its absence; viewers who had never read FIRE & BLOOD would still find the scenes heart-rending. Maelor did not actually DO anything in the scene, after all. How could he? He was only two years old.
There is another aspect to the removal of the young princeling, however.
Those of you who hate spoilers should STOP READING HERE. Spoilers will follow, at least for the readers among you. If you have never read FIRE & BLOOD, maybe it does not matter, because all I am going to “spoil” here are things that happen in the book that may NEVER happen on the series. Starting with Maelor himself.
Sometime between the initial decision to remove Maelor, a big change was made. The prince’s birth was no longer just going to be pushed back to season 3. He was never going to be born at all. The younger son of Aegon and Helaena would never appear.
Most of you know about the Butterfly Effect, I assume.
Yes, there was a movie with that title a few years back. It’s a familiar concept in chaos theory as well. But most science fiction fans were first exposed to the idea in Ray Bradbury’s classic time travel story, “A Sound of Thunder,” wherein a time traveler from the present panics and crushes a butterfly while hunting a T-Rex. When he returns to his own time, he discovers that the world has changed in huge and frightening ways. One dead butterfly has rewritten history. The lesson being that change begets change, and even small and seemingly insignificant alterations to a timeline — or a story — can have a profound effect on all that follows.
Maelor is a two year old toddler in FIRE & BLOOD, but like our butterfly he has an impact on the story all out of proportion to his size. The readers among you may recall that when it appears that Rhaenyra and her blacks are about to capture King’s Landing, Queen Alicent becomes concerned for the safety of Helaena’s remaining children, and takes steps to save them by smuggling them out of the city. The task is given is two knights of the Kingsguard. Ser Willis Fell is commanded to deliver Princess Jaehaera to the Baratheons at Storm’s End, while Maelor is given over to Ser Rickard Thorne to be escorted across the Mander to the protection of the Hightower army on its way to King’s Landing.
Willis Fell delivers Jaehaera safely to the Baratheons at Storm’s End, but Ser Rickard fares less well. He and Maelor get as far as Bitterbridge, where he is revealed as a Kingsuard in a tavern called the Hogs Head. Once discovered, Ser Rickard fights bravely to protect his young charge and bring him to safety, but he does not even make it across the bridge before some crossbows bring him down, Prince Maelor is torn from his arms.. and then, sadly, ripped to pieces by the mob fighting over the boy and the huge reward that Rhaenyra has offered for his capture and return.
Will any of that appear on the show? Maybe… but I don’t see how. The butterflies would seem to prohibit it. You could perhaps make Ser Rickard’s ward be Jaehaera instead of Maelor, but Jaehaera can’t be killed, she has a huge role to play as Aegon’s next heir. Could maybe make Maelor a newborn instead of a two year old, but that would scramble up the timeline, which is a bit of a mess already. I have no idea what Ryan has planned — if indeed he has planned anything — but given Maelor’s absence from episode 2, the simplest way to proceed would be just to drop him entirely, lose the bit where Alicent tries to send the kids to safety, drop Rickard Thorne or send him with Willis Fell so Jaehaera has two guards.
From what I know, that seems to be what Ryan is doing here. It’s simplest, yes, and may make sense in terms of budgets and shooting schedules. But simpler is not better. The Bitterbridge scene has tension, suspense, action, bloodshed, a bit of heroism and a lot of tragedy. Rickard Thorne is a tertiary character at best, most viewers (as opposed to readers) will never know he is gone, since they never knew him at all… but I rather liked giving him his brief moment of heroism, a taste of the courage and loyalty of the Kingsguard, regardless of whether they are black or green.
The butterflies are not done with us yet, however. In the book, when word of Prince Maelor’s death and the grisly manner of his passing (pp. 505) reaches the Red Keep, that proves to be the thing that drives Queen Helaena to suicide. She could barely stand to look at Maelor, knowing that she chose him to die in the “Sophie’s Choice” scene… and now he is dead in truth, her words having come true. The grief and guilt are too much for her to bear.
In Ryan’s outline for season 3, Helaena still kills herself… for no particular reason. There is no fresh horror, no triggering event to overwhelm the fragile young queen.
And the final butterfly follows soon thereafter.
Queen Helaena, a sweet and gentle soul, is much beloved by the smallfolk of King’s Landing. Rhaenyra was not, so when rumors began to arise that Helaena did not kill herself, but rather was murdered at Rhaenyra’s command, the commons are quick to believe them. “That night King’s Landing rose in bloody riot,” I wrote on p. 506 of FIRE & BLOOD. It is the beginning of the end for Rhaenyra’s rule over the city, ultimately leading to the Storming of the Dragonpit and the rise of the Shepherd’s mob that drives Rhaenyra to flee the city and return to Dragonstone… and her death.
Maelor by himself means little. He is a small child, does not have a line of dialogue, does nothing of consequence but die… but where and when and how, that does matter. Losing Maelor weakened the end of the Blood and Cheese sequence, but it also cost us the Bitterbridge scene with all its horror and heroism, it undercut the motivation for Helaena’s suicide, and that in turn sent thousands into the streets and alleys, screaming for justice for their “murdered” queen. None of that is essential, I suppose… but all of it does serve a purpose, it all helps to tie the story lines together, so one thing follows another in a logical and convincing manner.
What will we offer the fans instead, once we’ve killed these butterflies? I have no idea. I do not recall that Ryan and I ever discussed this, back when he first told me they were pushing back on Aegon’s second son. Maelor himself is not essential… but if losing him means we also lose Bitterbridge, Helaena’s suicide, and the riots, well… that’s a considerable loss.
And there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons 3 and 4…
GRRM
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While there's almost certainly a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know, taking all this at face value, I find myself supporting Martin. He had been hinting for a while that he had some issues with House of the Dragon season 2, and the tone and timing of the HBO podcast episode came off like very transparent damage control. I imagine the studio picked up on Martin's intent to go public with his problems, which made headlines last week, and rushed to get ahead of it. But Martin had a fire under him and released his blog post fast enough that HBO couldn't beat him to the punch, resulting in the chaos we all just witnessed.
As for why Martin released this post, a prevailing theory is that the team behind House of the Dragon has repeatedly ignored his input to a degree where the show seems in danger of going fully off the rails as an adaptation of his book Fire & Blood. This theory has been posited by Iron Widow author Xiran Jay Zhao, who spent time with Martin last month at Worldcon in Glasgow, Scotland. It's also been backed up by Elio García Jr., one of the founders of the fansite Westeros.org and co-author of the books The World of Ice and Fire and The Rise of the Dragon. García also spent time with Martin in Glasgow, and came to pretty much the same conclusion Zhao did about his blog post being a way to try and force HBO and House of the Dragon to course correct before they make egregious changes from the source material in future seasons. Martin didn't air the worst of his grievances, but he showed that he could if he wanted to, which would be a PR nightmare for HBO.
I also spent some time around Martin and his team in Glasgow, and while we didn't discuss any of his issues with House of the Dragon, my opinion is that García and Zhao's read on the situation has merit. This was not an impulsive move on Martin's part; he mentioned wanting to write a post about "all the issues raised by Blood and Cheese… and Maelor the Missing" back in early July. I think he said exactly what he meant to, in the specific way that he did, for a reason. He's been working in television on and off since the late 1980s and knows the business well; in my opinion there's a 0% chance he was just blowing off steam. And tellingly, HBO's response supports that theory, because it's surprisingly reactionary for a multimillion dollar corporation responding to a lone author's blog post, however famous he may be.
My interest in this is rapidly evolving. First I was interested in the anti-collegiality and the biting the handing, and now I'm interested in what the power struggle might reveal about how actually important HBO regards Martin and his personal fan base.
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