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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:14 pm |
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To the Superman experts here (CoughSwandersonCough), which issues of Superman, Superboy, etc. would you need to piece together his life?
Let assume Moore's "Whatever Happened..." is the finish (or you could use another imaginary story like Superman Red/Blue or Death of Superman) to serve as the tale's finale -- which issues contain the moments most relevant to Superman's life?
For example, Superman #144 has the story "Superboy's First Public Appearance!". That would be a relevant enough story to make the grade. Adventure Comics #247 has the Legion's first appearance, so clearly that's important enough to be in there. Action Comics #242 has Brainiac's first appearance, so that makes the grade.
I'm not looking for stuff that's not in continuity with the Silver Age version of the character -- Action Comics #1 or Lex Luthor's first appearance in Action Comics #23 need not apply. That said, Luthor's origin story where he loses all his hair and blames Superboy is on the table. Or the issue where Ma Kent first designs the Superman suit for Superboy. That kind of thing.
Thoughts?
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:48 pm |
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My basics:
Superman #53 (First major retelling of the origin) World's Finest Comics #71 (First Superman Batman Team-up) Superboy #68 (First Bizarro story) Superboy #90 (Pete Ross discovers Superboy's secret identity) Superboy #124 (Lana becomes Insect Queen) Action Comics #242 (Brainiac and Kandor are introduced) Action #252 (First Supergirl story) Adventure Comics #247 (First Legion story) Jimmy Olsen #31 (Jimmy becomes Elastic Lad) Adventure Comics #271 (Young Luthor becomes evil) Action Comics #286 (Superman Revenge Squad) Superman #158 (First Nightwing and Flamebird) Superman #167 (First Luthor and Brainiac Team-up) Adventure Comics #354-355 (Adult Legion)
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:49 pm |
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I want to do the list chronologically, rather than by date, so that if you were to make a TPB of these, they'd read as a life story for Superman. Going through my Krypton Companion, I see the following issues that should be included (I'll update this list as new issues are added): Superman #146 or #53 - Superman's Origin Superman #144 - Superboy's First Public Appearance! Adventure Comics #210 - First Krypto Adventure Comics #271 - Lex Luthor's Origin Superboy #68 - First Bizarro Adventure Comics #247 - First Legion of Super-Heroes Adventure Comics #252 - First Red Kryptonite Superboy #76 - First Beppo the Super-Monkey Superboy #83 - First Kryptonite Man (as Kryptonite Kid) Adventure Comics #283 - First Phantom Zone, General Zod Superboy #85 - Superboy Tries to Save Abe Lincoln Superboy #86 - First Pete Ross Superboy #90 - Pete Ross Discovers Superboy's Secret Identity Superboy #89 - First Mon-El Adventure Comics #293 - First Comet the Super-Horse, First Legion of Super-Pets Superboy #124 - First Lana as Insect Queen Superman #161 - Death of Ma & Pa Kent Superman #129 - First Lori Lemaris Superman: The Secret Years #1-4 - Clark Kent's College Years; Changes Name from Superboy to Superman Action Comics #51 - First Prankster Superman #30 - First Mister Mxyzptlk Action Comics #64 - First Toyman Jimmy Olsen #1 - First Signal Watch Superman #76 - Superman Meets Batman Jimmy Olsen #36 - First Elastic Lad Jimmy Olsen #36 - First Lucy Lane Action Comics #242 - First Brainiac & Kandor Action Comics #252 - First Supergirl, Argo City Action Comics #261 - First Streaky the Super-Cat Action Comics #267 - Supergirl Tries Out for the Legion Jimmy Olsen #48 - First Superman Emergency Squad Superman #141 - Superman's Return to Krypton Superman #147 - First Legion of Super-Villains Action Comics #285 - Supergirl Revealed to World Action Comics #286 - First Superman Revenge Squad Action Comics #293 - Comet, the Super-Horse's Origin Superman #156 - The Last Days of Superman! Superman #157 - First Gold Kryptonite Superman #158 - First Nightwing & Flamebird Action Comics #300 - Superman Under the Red Son Superman #164 - First Planet Lexor Superman #167 - First Brainiac / Luthor Team-Up Jimmy Olsen #72 - Elastic Lad Joins the Legion World's Finest #142 - First Composite Superman Adventure Comics #354-355 - First Adult Legion Brave & Bold #28 - First JLA Story (cameo) Brave & Bold #29 - First Time Superman Actively Helps JLA Action Comics #340 - First Parasite Superman #310 - First Metallo (John Corben version) Choose Your Own Ending -- Mega-Happy Ending: Superman #162 - Superman Red/Blue Bittersweet Ending: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? Tragic Ending: Superman #149 - Death of Superman
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:52 pm |
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Okay, just added Swanderson's. Any other we need in there?
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:19 pm |
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The episodes on the Smallville DVDs are sequenced in chronological order, so if you just watch straight through, you should be all set.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:29 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: Choose Your Own Ending --
Mega-Happy Ending: Superman #162 - Superman Red/Blue It's out of chronological sequence, but that really would have been cool as the last Superman story.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:34 pm |
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Its an imaginary story, so chronology isn't important -- I don't think there's anything in there that conflicts with any other story, so it should work as a viable ending.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:36 pm |
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The Brave And The Bold #28: Superman in the first Justice League Of America story
He barely appears, only to say that he's occupied with a space menace and can't join the rest of the team to battle Starro. This might be the lamest addition to your complete life story of Superman.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:44 pm |
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:21 am |
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This is a fun idea. I love this kind of stuff.
If we're going by the criteria that "Whatever Happened To" is the end point, it seems like you'd want the first appearance of all the villains that appear, so you'd need
First appearance of Mxyzptlk (this would be a biggie considering his part in the Moore story) First appearance of Metallo First appearance of Toyman First appearance of Prankster
You've got the first red Kyrptonite and the first gold ... what about the first regular green Kryptonite?
Also ... and maybe this is covered in some of the stories you've got ... but what about one of those where Superman goes back in time and learns a bunch of stuff about his birth parents? That seems like an essential aspect of the Silver Age version -- a story that gives us a bunch of biographical info on Jor-El and Lara.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:42 am |
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I think that some of the Denny O'Neil stuff should be included - especially the 'Kryptonite no more' stuff (I don't know the issue numbers), the Sand Superman, etc.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:46 am |
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Careful ... Simon is trying to trick you into including the lynx-powered Superman.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:26 am |
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Linda wrote: Careful ... Simon is trying to trick you into including the lynx-powered Superman. I may have been working up to that....
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:34 am |
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Ocean Doot wrote: This is a fun idea. I love this kind of stuff. I've suddenly lost interest.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:35 am |
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Simon wrote: I think that some of the Denny O'Neil stuff should be included - especially the 'Kryptonite no more' stuff (I don't know the issue numbers), the Sand Superman, etc. I'm trying to keep this Weinsinger-centric (with the exception of 'Whatever Happened', as it's a love-letter to the Weisinger era).
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:40 am |
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Ocean Doot wrote: If we're going by the criteria that "Whatever Happened To" is the end point, it seems like you'd want the first appearance of all the villains that appear, so you'd need
First appearance of Mxyzptlk (this would be a biggie considering his part in the Moore story) First appearance of Metallo First appearance of Toyman First appearance of Prankster Yeah, I guess you're right. Most of those are Golden Age yarns and I wanted to avoid that... but I guess there's no avoiding it. I'll update the list. Ocean Doot wrote: You've got the first red Kyrptonite and the first gold ... what about the first regular green Kryptonite? This one's sorta tricky -- I'm pretty sure it first appeared in an issue of Superman. However, since Kryptonite also appeared in Superboy's stories, the actual first appearance of Kryptonite wouldn't be Superman's chronological first exposure to Kryptonite. Swanderson, would you know? Ocean Doot wrote: Also ... and maybe this is covered in some of the stories you've got ... but what about one of those where Superman goes back in time and learns a bunch of stuff about his birth parents? That seems like an essential aspect of the Silver Age version -- a story that gives us a bunch of biographical info on Jor-El and Lara. Again, I suppose you're right. While not "essential", it is a notable Superman story. I suppose I should expand the list to include memorable Superman stories that don't feature essential continuity pieces.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:26 am |
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Okay, updated with Doot's suggestions.
It also occurs to me that first appearances alone won't cut it -- otherwise, it would seem like Superman battled the likes of the Toyman or Metallo only once. We need to include a t least a couple of the best stories for each major villain.
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:31 am |
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The list is getting big, but it feels right.
It would be cool to see it released as three TPBs, with each TPB using one of your three optional endings. (I'd suggest "death of" for the first one, Blue/Red for the 2nd, and Moore's story for the third.)
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:34 am |
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Ocean Doot wrote: The list is getting big, but it feels right. Why don't you just hold up a sign that says "FIX MY QUOTE, HANZO"?
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:36 am |
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:48 am |
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Post subject: Silver-Age Superman: Piecing Together His Life's Story Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:02 am |
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