It actually wouldn't surprise me if Morrison is back to being friends with Millar.I see that Quitely is working with Millar on a book called Jupiter's Children.

That's what it looks like at the beginning, but the twist is that the heist they are going to do is against a major bad guy, and it's starting to look like they're going to to be called upon to shut the guy down for the sake of good -- and he's got supposed superheroes working for him on the sly.

I never heard any "Batman is gay" comments until I read about Wertham (around 1975). And this is during the time when "Bruce" was considered an effeminate name.

So it's even more like Ocean's 11 -- the heist they pulled was on some high-powered Vegas crime boss.

I've never considered Bruce an effeminate name... but the first time I heard it was in reference to Bruce Lee. Nothing effeminate about that guy...

BTW, why was that named ever considered effiminate?

That wasn't the twist -- I'm saying it looks like the twist is the "super crooks" are actually going to question themselves on whether they might need to turn hero. They moved to a country where there are no superheroes. Corrupt -- superheroes working for the bad guys on the side. They may need to start thinking about "what if no hero was around when one was needed?"

It's still a bit of guessing at this point.

Not sure why. I had forgotten that Bruce was a name that you'd associate with someone being a "sissy" until I heard an author bring it up in an interview ("At that time, we'd call someone like that "Bruce".) We didn't make fun of our friends named Bruce, but if a comedian was pretending to be a flamboyant gay man, he'd throw the name Bruce around.

I'd guess that Springsteen and Willis were the final nails in that coffin. Maybe for them it was a "Boy Named Sue" sort of a childhood.

I found a couple of references about it on the web. One guy commented about being named Bruce back then...


http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Bruce

i remember Benny Hill making a joke about the name Bruce. My Uncle's name was Dick. No one seemed to find it remotely funny but me

They changed Bruce Banner to David Banner on the Hulk TV show because "Bruce" was considered too effeminate.

Pretty interesting fact that none of you knew.

You will find the answer you seek in Grant Morrison's words.

I did.

I am fairly certain that this is an untruth from doot.

"Johnson has gone on record to say that he used the name David to honor his late son and to give a nod to the fact that the show would not be entirely like the comic book. It has also been noted that Johnson didn’t like the comic book tradition of having characters with alliterated named (e.g., Peter Parker, Reed Richards, Clark Kent, etc.). The show did, however, allow Banner to keep Bruce as a middle name, as seen on the tombstone in the opening credits."

I never heard that Bruce was an effeminate name, but when I was little I thought it was an effeminate name. I hated that name at one time.

There must have been some shared cultural memory in the air at one time about the name "Bruce."

Bruce Benedict of the Braves helped toughen it up for me -- he was the original player I remember where every time he did something it sounded like they were booing because the crowd yelled "Bruuuuuccce!"

Wasn't "Bruce" his middle name anyway? They could have called him "Robert Banner".

No you didn't.

That's what I meant to say.

That they could

I'd bet that it's sort of an oxymoron, and that's where the "humor" of using the name for someone gay came from. Bruce is a macho-sounding name.

Not if you say it like "Bruuuuuce"

Seriously, it wasn't too me as a kid. There were two names I absolutely hated: Bruce and Rusty.

The feeling passed before I grew up. I doesn't remain at all.

Another name people seem to point to as fruity is Steve, which I always felt was pretty masculine.

(Horton aside, natch. )