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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:41 pm |
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I also pointed that out, and IIRC, as a defense. I just don't find it funny, anymore, I guess. (And that quip about LoEG presupposes that isn't true of Before Watchmen. I bet JMS and Wein at least begged to be part of it  )
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Rafael
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:42 pm |
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Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  But please don't buy his comics anymore.
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Ocean Doot
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:45 pm |
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Rafael wrote: Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  But please don't buy his comics anymore. Only if you buy Before Watchmen. Now I can't buy Before Watchmen, otherwise I lose my permissions to buy the next League volume. That solves my dilemma, at least.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:47 pm |
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Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  I've been dressing as the editor of the New Frontiersman since 1988.
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Rafael
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:49 pm |
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Ocean Doot wrote: Rafael wrote: Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  But please don't buy his comics anymore. Only if you buy Before Watchmen. Now I can't buy Before Watchmen, otherwise I lose my permissions to buy the next League volume. That solves my dilemma, at least. I dunno, I think Halloween costumes qualify, too.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:51 pm |
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Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  Silk Sprectre this year, Jay? 
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Ocean Doot
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:53 pm |
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Rafael wrote: Ocean Doot wrote: Rafael wrote: Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  But please don't buy his comics anymore. Only if you buy Before Watchmen. Now I can't buy Before Watchmen, otherwise I lose my permissions to buy the next League volume. That solves my dilemma, at least. I dunno, I think Halloween costumes qualify, too. If you say so. I'll confess, I only kind of skimmed the contract.
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Rafael
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:54 pm |
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Ocean Doot wrote: Rafael wrote: Ocean Doot wrote: Rafael wrote: Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  But please don't buy his comics anymore. Only if you buy Before Watchmen. Now I can't buy Before Watchmen, otherwise I lose my permissions to buy the next League volume. That solves my dilemma, at least. I dunno, I think Halloween costumes qualify, too. If you say so. I'll confess, I only kind of skimmed the contract. Halloween costumes weren't popular back then.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:55 pm |
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Rafael wrote: Ocean Doot wrote: Rafael wrote: Ocean Doot wrote: Rafael wrote: Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  But please don't buy his comics anymore. Only if you buy Before Watchmen. Now I can't buy Before Watchmen, otherwise I lose my permissions to buy the next League volume. That solves my dilemma, at least. I dunno, I think Halloween costumes qualify, too. If you say so. I'll confess, I only kind of skimmed the contract. Halloween costumes weren't popular back then. Well, regardless of the actual letter of it, I trust the contact's general spirit. Everyone involved seems quite honest and up-front.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:56 pm |
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Junkie Luv wrote: Li'l Jay wrote: Alan Moore thinks he's bigger than comics, and it turns out he's not bigger than comics. We will enjoy our Halloween costumes made out of Watchmen characters, and there's naught you can do to stop us, Beard-man!  Silk Sprectre this year, Jay?  Why would it be different from the last 17 Halloweens?
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:53 pm |
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Screechy wrote: Hanzo the Razor wrote: Those exact words? No.
But I think he's referencing the outrage fanboys spew whenever he criticizes DC or Marvel Comics. I think he's pre-emptively martyring himself to deflect any criticism that he's a) whining, b) a douche bag, c) really fucking pompous, and d) all of the above. For my mind, you get to be really fucking pompous when you write something as good as Watchmen, which is why I asked the question earlier. However, it's not exclusive, and you can reach a tipping point where your pomposity drops into douchebaggery. If you're raging against The Machine for acting like The Machine, what are you really raging against, and how impotent does that make you? Except he's right. The people who want Watchmen movies, prequels, Halloween costumes and V for Vendetta movies and whatever else are getting them. It seems weird to me that people are not only getting what they want, but disliking Alan Moore for not approving of what they want. It started with the terrible V for Vendetta movie. People were calling him whiny for not approving of a crappy movie because it hampered their enjoyment for some reason.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:56 pm |
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Jim Bracjey wrote: Screechy wrote: Hanzo the Razor wrote: Those exact words? No.
But I think he's referencing the outrage fanboys spew whenever he criticizes DC or Marvel Comics. I think he's pre-emptively martyring himself to deflect any criticism that he's a) whining, b) a douche bag, c) really fucking pompous, and d) all of the above. For my mind, you get to be really fucking pompous when you write something as good as Watchmen, which is why I asked the question earlier. However, it's not exclusive, and you can reach a tipping point where your pomposity drops into douchebaggery. If you're raging against The Machine for acting like The Machine, what are you really raging against, and how impotent does that make you? Except he's right. The people who want Watchmen movies, prequels, Halloween costumes and V for Vendetta movies and whatever else are getting them. It seems weird to me that people are not only getting what they want, but disliking Alan Moore for not approving of what they want. It started with the terrible V for Vendetta movie. People were calling him whiny for not approving of a crappy movie because it hampered their enjoyment for some reason. You and I seem to be on the same page, Jim -- and have been so since this topic was first brought up. 
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Li'l Jay
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:15 pm |
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Jim Bracjey wrote: but disliking Alan Moore for not approving of what they want. Sort of trivializing a lot of opinions here -- read what he said. In my view, he denigrates a lot of fellow creators and has quite a bit of snark for everyone. I can understand him not wanting there to be any Watchmen stuff. But we don't always get what we want, and people matter more than his wizard-beard. He doesn't seem to treasure the relationships with people like Dave Gibbons that his talent has brought him.
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:22 pm |
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No one matters more than his wizard beard, you fruit.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:49 pm |
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Li'l Jay wrote: Jim Bracjey wrote: but disliking Alan Moore for not approving of what they want. Sort of trivializing a lot of opinions here -- read what he said. In my view, he denigrates a lot of fellow creators and has quite a bit of snark for everyone. I can understand him not wanting there to be any Watchmen stuff. But we don't always get what we want, and people matter more than his wizard-beard. He doesn't seem to treasure the relationships with people like Dave Gibbons that his talent has brought him. I've read the entire interview. There is a lot I agree with and a lot I don't. I think it is a shame he lets things get in the way of his friendships with people like Dave Gibbons. (Sounds like David Lloyd is another matter) I don't agree that purchasing these sequels should earn people his contempt. I strongly agree that people who think that LEOG, Lost Girls, etc. are anything like these Watchmen prequels are showing a massive blindspot to the history of literature and the points of those books. Alan Moore is a brilliant writer, but he's a guy. I can agree and disagree with him like I can disagree with my parents, friends, etc. But that doesn't mean that people have gone out of their way since V for Vendetta to complain that Alan Moore is complaining, despite the fact that he hasn't actually done anything to stop people from getting what they want. If they want a Wachowski V movie, it is there. If they want a Watchmen movie, it is there. Alan Moore isn't stopping it. He isn't even collecting money from it. So what does it hurt? Go back and look at the comments around the web starting with Vendetta and you'll see it. People upset with Alan Moore for not endorsing what they want to see. Why? Guilt? As he's said, he's powerless to stop it.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:54 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: Jim Bracjey wrote: Screechy wrote: Hanzo the Razor wrote: Those exact words? No.
But I think he's referencing the outrage fanboys spew whenever he criticizes DC or Marvel Comics. I think he's pre-emptively martyring himself to deflect any criticism that he's a) whining, b) a douche bag, c) really fucking pompous, and d) all of the above. For my mind, you get to be really fucking pompous when you write something as good as Watchmen, which is why I asked the question earlier. However, it's not exclusive, and you can reach a tipping point where your pomposity drops into douchebaggery. If you're raging against The Machine for acting like The Machine, what are you really raging against, and how impotent does that make you? Except he's right. The people who want Watchmen movies, prequels, Halloween costumes and V for Vendetta movies and whatever else are getting them. It seems weird to me that people are not only getting what they want, but disliking Alan Moore for not approving of what they want. It started with the terrible V for Vendetta movie. People were calling him whiny for not approving of a crappy movie because it hampered their enjoyment for some reason. You and I seem to be on the same page, Jim -- and have been so since this topic was first brought up.  Also, have you noticed Jim's jib? It's beautifully cut.
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:56 pm |
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Jim Bracjey wrote: But that doesn't mean that people have gone out of their way since V for Vendetta to complain that Alan Moore is complaining, despite the fact that he hasn't actually done anything to stop people from getting what they want. If they want a Wachowski V movie, it is there. If they want a Watchmen movie, it is there. Alan Moore isn't stopping it. He isn't even collecting money from it. So what does it hurt?
Go back and look at the comments around the web starting with Vendetta and you'll see it. People upset with Alan Moore for not endorsing what they want to see. Why? Guilt? As he's said, he's powerless to stop it. Because he's an asshole and should shut up and do an awesome run on Teen Titans and X-Men.
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Li'l Jay
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:30 pm |
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I don't think it's nice, you laughin' . . .
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Jim Bracjey wrote: Go back and look at the comments around the web starting with Vendetta and you'll see it. People upset with Alan Moore for not endorsing what they want to see. Why? Guilt? As he's said, he's powerless to stop it. I'm not familiar with any of that. I couldn't care less whether he endorses it. I thought you were talking about the pretty mild shenanigans in this thread at IMWAN.
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:32 pm |
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"WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT ALAN MOORE SAYS? IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT!"
"WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT I SAY ABOUT ALAN MOORE SAYS? IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT!"
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:34 pm |
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One thing we can definitely all agree on, though, is that this new "Earth 2" stuff from DC is going to be really bad. Am I right?
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Jim Bracjey
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:36 pm |
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Li'l Jay wrote: Jim Bracjey wrote: Go back and look at the comments around the web starting with Vendetta and you'll see it. People upset with Alan Moore for not endorsing what they want to see. Why? Guilt? As he's said, he's powerless to stop it. I'm not familiar with any of that. I couldn't care less whether he endorses it. I thought you were talking about the pretty mild shenanigans in this thread at IMWAN. Nope. I'm referring to what Moore was talking about in his interview. The perception that he is a big bully picking on Warner Brothers and their movies.
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:37 pm |
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Ocean Doot wrote: One thing we can definitely all agree on, though, is that this new "Earth 2" stuff from DC is going to be really bad. Am I right? Yes.
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