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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:10 pm |
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The Half-Korean of Tomorrow
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JEFF IS RIGHT
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:30 pm |
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Flameboy wrote: Ocean Doot wrote: Surely anyone who's going to buy this is going to trade-wait, right? Omnibus-wait. I agree with Flameboy - Omnibus waiting is the way to go with this stuff. I predict it won't last too long anyway, so the wait won't be a lengthy one. 
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:36 pm |
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SQUIRREL!
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:47 am |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: JEFF IS RIGHT
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JEFF IS RIGHT It happens so often, and you guys always act so surprised. You should be checked out for dementia or Alzheimer's. (Holy shit I spelled that right, first try, without checking!)
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:49 am |
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:37 pm |
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/13/ ... hall-take/Quote: But there’s no real comparison. In The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I am not adapting characters. I am flat out stealing them in what I think is an honorable way. Like turning the Invisible Man into a serial rapist?
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:52 pm |
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I want to turn into Mr. Hyde, and anally rape Alan Moore to death while I shout "I'M DOING THIS IN WHAT I THINK IS AN HONORABLE WAY!!!"
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:55 pm |
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The Half-Korean of Tomorrow
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Okay, so we've established Screechy wants to fuck Alan Moore while roleplaying.
Next order of business?
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:57 pm |
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I want Rafael to edit your post in the style of Alan Moore.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:59 pm |
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Wow, he's in full "old crank" mode. Quote: “If DC Want To Soil Themselves In Public And Kill The Reputations Of A Number Of Otherwise Possibly Halfway-Decent Writers And Artists, Then I’m Certainly Not Going To Stop Them. And I Shall Take My Fun And My Pleasure However It Comes” – Alan Moore On Before WatchmenAlan Moore has been talking to Kurt Amacker about Before Watchmen, Watchmen, DC Comics and League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Now, Alan has said a lot of this before, sometimes to me, but not all in the same place, in such a concise fashion and so directed. Here are a few snippets, to encourage you to read the whole thing. The first is in the headline of this article, here come the rest; Alan Moore wrote: That was the understanding upon which we did Watchmen–that they understood that we wanted to actually own the work that we’d done, and that they were a “new DC Comics,” who were going to be more responsive to creators. And, they’d got this new contract worked out which meant that when the work went out of print, then the rights to it would revert to us–which sounded like a really good deal. I’d got no reason not to trust these people. They’d all been very, very friendly. They seemed to be delighted with the amount of extra comics they were selling. Even on that level, I thought, “Well, they can see that I’m getting them an awful lot of good publicity, and I’m bringing them a great deal of money. So, if they are even competent business people, they surely won’t be going out of their way to screw us in any way.” Now, I’ve since seen the Watchmen contract, which obviously we didn’t read very closely at the time. It was the first contract that I’d ever seen–and I believe that it was a relatively rare event for a contract to actually exist in the comics business.
The money would’ve been from DC. He was acting as an intermediary. He told me they were planning to do these prequels and sequels, and that he had been offered something in the region of a quarter of a million dollars to oversee the project–that it would be handled by the top talent in the industry, to which I said some quite intemperate things. I said that, as far as Watchmen was concerned, I didn’t really think that there was any talent in the mainstream comics industry. If there had have been, they presumably, sometime over the past 20 or 25 years, would have perhaps come up with something that was as good as Watchmen–or as notable or as memorable–after they’d already been shown how to do it. So yeah, I was angry and I said some things which I still stand behind. And, that was the end of it. And, that was the end of my friendship with Dave Gibbons: because he hadn’t phoned up and thanked me and he had done the one thing that I’d asked him not to. When I mentioned this in an interview, he phoned me up again to say, “Oh, thanks for that money, Alan.”
It strikes me that, yes, I can understand why they took on Before Watchmen. It will probably be the only opportunity they get in their careers to actually be attached to a project that anybody outside of comics has ever heard of. So, I can see how that would be a great lure. I don’t think I would have done it, though, because to go down in history as the people who did the lame rewrites and prequels to Watchmen–well, that’s not for me. But, of course everybody has to make their own choices. So, no, obviously I won’t want anything to do with any of the people who are attached to this project at any point in the future, but that isn’t a huge loss.
So, what we’re doing is taking these characters that are mostly in the public domain. If they’re not in the public domain, they are only referred to glancingly, as a bit of a cultural joke.
It’s a bit different to bringing out a comic called Rorschach.
I don’t mind people referencing my characters. It happens quite a bit. I don’t even mind, like I say, with characters like John Constantine–who I’ve got no interest in anymore. I expected him to be handled by other writers.
But there’s no real comparison. In The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I am not adapting characters. I am flat out stealing them in what I think is an honorable way.
I have a huge respect for my audience. On the occasions when I meet them, they seem, I like to think, to be intelligent and scrupulous people. If people do want to go out and buy these Watchmen prequels, they would be doing me an enormous favor if they would just stop buying my other books. When I think of my audience, I like to have good thoughts and think about how lucky I am to have one that is as intelligent as mine and as moral as mine.
In the world that could have been, I could have carried on working happily with the American comics industry.
I know a way that they could have sorted out their continuity. I could have gotten rid of all of their problems for them. It would have been really simple. But, like I say, they unfortunately alienated me. But, they’ve done that everybody who has been a heavy-hitter creatively. Jack Kirby and all the people who genuinely created stuff all got screwed. It was only the company employees who kind of created stuff that wasn’t really that original in the first place that didn’t. It was the Len Weins who kind of did all right out of it because they always did what the company told them. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/13/ ... hall-take/
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:01 pm |
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I'm so glad Alan doesn't have anything to say about the comic industry. 
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:20 pm |
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Oh he did not just call out Len Wein!
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:21 pm |
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I love reading his opinions (although I don't always agree with them). I hope he never stops being cranky.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:45 pm |
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Steve wrote: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/13/if-dc-want-to-soil-themselves-in-public-and-kill-the-reputations-of-a-number-of-otherwise-possibly-halfway-decent-writers-and-artists-then-im-certainly-not-going-to-stop-them-and-i-shall-take/ Quote: But there’s no real comparison. In The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I am not adapting characters. I am flat out stealing them in what I think is an honorable way. Like turning the Invisible Man into a serial rapist? Yeah, he was such a nice guy in the original novel.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:07 pm |
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Quote: … including Jim Lee drawing a cover for each one.
This is the worst thing that I've heard about during this entIre controversy.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:28 pm |
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Alan Moore wrote: I said that, as far as Watchmen was concerned, I didn’t really think that there was any talent in the mainstream comics industry. If there had have been, they presumably, sometime over the past 20 or 25 years, would have perhaps come up with something that was as good as Watchmen–or as notable or as memorable–after they’d already been shown how to do it. I'm starting not to like this guy.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:37 am |
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As I said before, I've decided to stop reading what Moore has to say, in order to protect his pristine image in my mind.
_________________ Are you ready? Are you ready to jump right off the edge of everything?
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:44 am |
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:22 am |
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Rafael wrote: As I said before, I've decided to stop reading what Fabian Nicieza has to say, in order to protect his pristine image in my mind. Oh, I don't know, he seems like a perfectly nice guy in real life. But I can see how you don't want to mess with genius.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:30 am |
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I think he's a bit of douche bag, though.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:32 am |
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Rafael wrote: I think he's a bit of douche bag, though. Dat be som' tres strong language dere, Raf-hon'.
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Post subject: Before Watchmen Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:36 am |
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Fraxon! wrote: I'm so glad Alan doesn't have anything to say about the comic industry.  From that interview: Yeah, I know that people think I've been terribly mean to the poor little American comics industry. It's so unfair when you think about it, isn't it, that you've got a barely-educated fuck from the English midlands picking upon this huge multinational corporation. You know, I ought to be ashamed of myself.Alan Moore just pwned Fraxon.
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