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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:41 pm 
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I remember Nettles as being a much better hitter with men on base. He was a much better fielder than Buddy Bell and Rodriguez. I think he was equal to Robinson. Both did their fielding magic in the World Series.

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Also, Santo had a career fielding percentage of .954--in nearly 300 fewer games at 3B than Nettles.

Nettles was my favorite player growing up. I had, frankly, written off his chances of ever getting into Cooperstown, but Santo's induction is a game-changer.


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I grew up watching Nettles play third, I completely agree with you.

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I believe third base is the most under-represented position in the HOF

Nettles belongs as does Ken Boyer...

If glove work counted more Clete Boyer should also be in there - IMO the greatest thirdbasemen EVER!

Kaat, Hodges, oliva ad Minoso also belong...

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Santo should have got in in long ago . Hodges belongs there too . I also think Jim Kaat (283-237 3.45) and Tommy John (288-231 3.34) are close enough to 300 to go in . Jim Bunning only won 224 (i mean "only" in comparison to Kaat and John) and he's in . How about this name.... Rusty Staub ? He had 2716 hits , 1466 rbi's both are more than a few other HOFers (i can think of Billy Williams and Orlando Cepeda off the top of my head) and he was just shy of 300 hr's . I think he hit like 294 hrs .


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They didn't even make him an offer.

I'm not setting foot in Citifield until the team is sold. Coupon is making M Donald Grant look good by comparison.


I agree , either until the team gets sold or they spend some money to make the team competitive . I would rather see them sold . I don't want to see the Mets being like the Pirates of the last 10 years . Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money .


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Don57 wrote:
They didn't even make him an offer.

I'm not setting foot in Citifield until the team is sold. Coupon is making M Donald Grant look good by comparison.


I agree , either until the team gets sold or they spend some money to make the team competitive . I would rather see them sold . I don't want to see the Mets being like the Pirates of the last 10 years . Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money .



I listened to Sandy on the Mike show on WFAN this afternoon and the Wilpon's really need to sell this team, it's embarrassing. The Marlins steal a player away from a NY team? The NY team is the one thats broke?
I mean really....sell the damn team already.

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I also belive Roger Maris belongs - if the steroid era (error) shows us anything - what he did was special...I agree on Tommy John for both his record and his paving operation.

Riggs Stephenson,(Check out his batting average). Jumpin Joe Dugan, Stan Hack, Charlie Grimm, Bill White, Joe TorreCarl Mays, Smokey Joe Wood, Charlie Finley, Rocky Colavito,Vada Pinsom, Billy Pierce, Billy Martin, Munson and Donnie Baseball too...

There s/b a special place for what could have been for Tony C, Herb Score, Ken Hubbs...

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The Mets are being run like the late 90's Pirates.


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 Post subject: Baseball Chatter 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:22 pm 
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Met fans and New York deserve better...they s/b made to sell...all I can say is maybe the Mets were concerned about that oft injured hammy...

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Selig will never force his good friend Wilpon to sell. We're stuck with Fred until he's bankrupt or in jail.

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Linda wrote:
Selig will never force his good friend Wilpon to sell. We're stuck with Fred until he's bankrupt or in jail.


One reason I hate baseball these days. We're looking at years and years of a NY club that might as well fold up. How the MLB can allow this is inexcusable.

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 Post subject: Baseball Chatter 2012
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Robert Meagher wrote:
I also belive Roger Maris belongs - if the steroid era (error) shows us anything - what he did was special...I agree on Tommy John for both his record and his paving operation.

Riggs Stephenson,(Check out his batting average). Jumpin Joe Dugan, Stan Hack, Charlie Grimm, Bill White, Joe TorreCarl Mays, Smokey Joe Wood, Charlie Finley, Rocky Colavito,Vada Pinsom, Billy Pierce, Billy Martin, Munson and Donnie Baseball too...

There s/b a special place for what could have been for Tony C, Herb Score, Ken Hubbs...



I agree on Pinson and Colavito , Rocky hit 370 something homes runs in 13 season . Pinson is a forgotten great.

From the 2012 list I go with Bagwell , Larkin , Morris and Lee Smith . Nobody gives Smith the credit he deserves . He did hold the saves record for a while. Fourteen consecutive years of 30+ saves (15 consecutive of 29+). And he wasn't a 3 out reliever .


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:27 pm 
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Roger Maris--absolutely. Should have happened years ago.

I hadn't stopped to think about the irony of the Marlins signing away a player from the Mets.

(Now maybe Mets fans will understand my pain and disillusionment at how the 1998 Marlins essentially conceded the entire baseball season before it even began.)


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Torre will get in. He's just short as a player but his Yankee managing career will put over the top.

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Brainiac McGee wrote:
I hadn't stopped to think about the irony of the Marlins signing away a player from the Mets.

(Now maybe Mets fans will understand my pain and disillusionment at how the 1998 Marlins essentially conceded the entire baseball season before it even began.)

One season doesn't seem so bad to me right now. I feel like Wilpon has conceded this whole decade while he fights to keep ownership of a franchise he can use as his "Pretend Dodgers".

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The funny thing is the real Dodgers are for sale.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:24 am 
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Linda wrote:
Brainiac McGee wrote:
I hadn't stopped to think about the irony of the Marlins signing away a player from the Mets.

(Now maybe Mets fans will understand my pain and disillusionment at how the 1998 Marlins essentially conceded the entire baseball season before it even began.)

One season doesn't seem so bad to me right now. I feel like Wilpon has conceded this whole decade while he fights to keep ownership of a franchise he can use as his "Pretend Dodgers".

But Linda--it was a ballclub that had just won the World Series. God, a dozen years later, I relive it every time I so much as type about it...


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I know. That was very, very bad. He should have been stopped like Bowie Kuhn stopped Charlie Finley from selling off the A's.

What Wilpon is doing to the Mets is a slow burn, but the results are similar. A good commissioner would step in here too.

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DALLAS -- The Miami Marlins have made a 10-year offer to the biggest fish on the free-agent market, first baseman Albert Pujols, baseball sources told ESPN the Magazine's Buster Olney on Tuesday.

It is unclear what the monetary figure of the offer is, and a key question is whether the Marlins would agree to include a no-trade clause in their offer. The club did not offer shortstop Jose Reyes such a clause, which Pujols had with the St. Louis Cardinals.

The Marlins' latest offer is an increase from the nine-year proposal made in their first meeting with Lozano.

Meanwhile, the Chicago Cubs spoke to Lozano on Monday and made a qualifying offer to Pujols, according to reports.

Clubs that have spoken to the Marlins at the winter meetings have come away with the clear impression they are pressing to sign Pujols quickly. In a public appearance following the team's official announcement of the signing of new closer Heath Bell on Monday, Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria did nothing to discourage talk that they have payroll room to sign Pujols, even after reeling in Bell and Reyes; the latter agreed Sunday to a six-year, $106 million contract.

The signings of All-Stars Reyes and Bell come as the Marlins prepare to open the 2012 season in a new downtown Miami ballpark.

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I hope they sign them all. This is a club who's payroll just 2 years ago was $19M.
Soon the Mets payroll will be $19M as soon as they dump Wright / Bay / and Santana.

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David Wright will eventually be traded, says Klapisch

In a report for the Bergen Record, Bob Klapisch says:

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David Wright eventually will be traded. It won’t happen today or tomorrow, probably not before spring training. … But just wait until July, when Citi’s new, hitter-friendly outfield dimensions help turn Wright into a home run threat again. His market value will soar, making it the ideal time for the Mets to cut ties. Because, let’s face it, the hugely talented Wright and his $15 million salary are just excess baggage now. If the Wilpons are sincere about making the most of their dwindling resources, this popular, likable star has to go.

Wright has two years left on his contract, including a $16 million team option for 2013 that he can void if he’s traded.

Yesterday, Sandy Alderson said the Mets will be entertaining, competitive and underestimated in 2012. However, according to Joel Sherman in a report for the New York Post, Mets officials will tell you in private that their best chance to contend will be in 2014.

Nevertheless, a member of the organization told Sherman, ““David’s not going anywhere this winter,” mostly because, as Sherman puts it, “Ownership simply does not have the tolerance to lose Reyes and Wright in the same offseason and further infuriate an already irate fan base.”

According to Sherman, the Mets could likely get three prospects for Wright today. However, yesterday, CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman said the Mets recently got two bad trade offers for Wright. Why? “The combination of a down 2011 and no control over the player after 2012 gives Alderson poor leverage,” Tom Verducci explains in a report for SI.com.

In November, on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove show, Wright said, “My dream is to experience the good, the bad and the ugly, win a World Championship, play 15 years and do it all with the Mets.” However, yesterday, when talking on air to ESPN 1050 about Reyes leaving for Miami, and what life might be like as a free agent, Wright said, “I’m not sure what my future holds.”

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