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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:07 pm |
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Jon Tyler wrote: ralph wrote: Wal Mart is not a one stop, it's a retail store. J&R probably buys from one stop distributors and direct from record companies depending on the size of the order. The box sets are already listed on line. I was perplexed why Walmart was being called a "one-stop." Or is there some music distribution arm of Walmart that we are not aware of???? Jimbo's point about this happening right before the big Beatles reissue campaign was the first thing that came to my mind (followed by "EMI HAS to be deliberately trying to kill the CD format.") I think the person who wrote the article doesn't know what he/she is talking about. But EMI doing this on the eve of one of the biggest re-issue campaigns since the dawn of the cd era does seem a bit, well, self destructive.
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:45 pm |
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Wow, I jsut started reading this thread now-- really bizarre, how the music industry is going mad as it dies.
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Jon Tyler
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:51 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: Wow, I jsut started reading this thread now-- really bizarre, how the music industry is going mad as it dies. Luckily, it can continually rely on using illegal file sharing as a scapegoat, rather than acknowledging that they are largely responsible for their own demise.
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Hanzo the Razor
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:51 pm |
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What are the other factors?
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Jon Tyler
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:57 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: What are the other factors? I was actually thinking about starting a thread with just that question. So, I guess I will. 
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Geff R.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:58 pm |
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I don't know what indies they're cutting out, but no store I've ever managed has been large enough to buy direct from the majors. I also wasn't aware that Best Buy & Walmart were One Stops now; there are businesses specifically set up for that.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:56 pm |
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This only makes me EVEN MORE DETERMINED to support indie record stores. I refuse to be manipulated into buying music from where they dictate I should buy from.
This may be sacriligious (sorry Beatles fans!), but if this story is accurate, then I don't need to plunk down money on Beatles remasters to line the pockets of these greedy and malicious pigs. It really pisses me off to no end that they see nothing wrong with betraying the very people (independent record stores) who are fighting a losing battle to support the music business, and maintain at least a little bit of integrity in the industry.
Oh, and finally . . .
FUCK E.M.I.
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Geff R.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:15 am |
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I've posted repeatedly (probably too many times) in the Beatles threads that I think the boxes are a huge rip off & why I feel that way.
Put the real Stereo Help & Rubber Soul in the Stereo box, give it decent packaging, price it so the intro sale price is around $100 & I'd be in. Unfortunately none of that is going to happen....................
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:23 pm |
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I'd like to know what EMI's definition of independent is. There are standalone shops, small chains and larger franchises that are not part of a mega-dollar corporation. There are also hundreds of semi-large online retailers. We can assume that Best Buy, Target, and Wal-Mart won't be affected, but what about FYE, CDBaby and Tower?
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Phil Cohen
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:18 pm |
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EMI has been seized by Citicorp, and EMI executives see this as a positive developement. Citicorp doesn't want to own EMi on a long-term basis. They're looking to sell EMI., perhaps to BMG, Warner Music........or maybe Sigue Sigue Sputnik(only joking;they had a hit song called "Buy EMI")
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:22 am |
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Citicorp says: Hello, EMI...goodbye!
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Geff R.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:35 am |
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Wow.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:06 am |
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Maybe the Sex Pistols would be interested.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:01 pm |
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Quote: Citigroup takes ownership of EMI
EMI has been taken over by US bank Citigroup.
The bank had been the major record label's creditor as it racked up debts of £3.4 billion. Now, after taking ownership of the company, the bank has reduced the debt to £1.2 billion, reports BBC News.
Lily Allen, Pete Doherty, Katy Perry, Robbie Williams and Gorillaz are among the artists signed to EMI.
Citigroup plans to sell on the label, which will continue under its current management.
In 2007 EMI was taken over by the Terra Firma company, with Citigroup loaning the money to allow its chairman, Guy Hands, to spearhead the takeover. http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/54784
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:02 pm |
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Quote: Indie bosses and experts react to Citigroup's EMI takeover
Following yesterday's (February 1) news that the Citigroup bank had taken ownership of the EMI record label, indie label bosses and industry experts have been giving their reactions.
The US bank's move means that Guy Hands, who had led a takeover through his Terra Firma investment company in 2007, is no longer helming the label.
Lily Allen, Pete Doherty, Katy Perry, Coldplay, Robbie Williams and Gorillaz are among the artists signed to EMI.
Former Creation Records boss Alan McGee told NME that he thinks the bank will struggle to offload the label, as many believe they are planning.
"The problem with Guy Hands buying EMI was that he bought it in 2007, at the height of the market," he said. "It's like buying a house at the wrong time, obviously you're going to lose money when the market dips."
Hands was a controversial character at EMI. Radiohead left the label during his tenure, with guitarist Ed O'Brien saying that the Terra Firma chiefs didn't "understand the music industry". The Rolling Stones were another high-profile act to leave, departing to sign to Universal in 2008.
McGee added: "EMI is still a great British label, and I actually think Guy Hands didn't do a bad job, he was just personally unfortunate. Shit happens. Their publishing catalogue is still worth a lot of money, but unfortunately these days no fucker wants to buy a record company. And unless the government clamps down on illegal downloading, that's always going to be the case, because downloading has murdered the industry."
However, Peter Quicke, head of the Ninja Tune label, said that the news was not indicative of a wider problem.
"Leveraged buyouts are usually a bad idea, and this was spectacularly bad timing," he said. "Is this symptomatic of wider problems in the industry? No. Digital music has made the industry more profitable. The margins are higher – provided you budget wisely."
He added: "The major label isn’t broken. In fact, Universal and Sony are thriving. This is just a case of EMI handling the last ten years of recession badly."
Ben Cardew, news editor of MusicWeek, said that the takeover could be good for EMI in the long run.
"This actually could be a good thing for EMI since it now has less debt," he said. "Terra Firma weren't popular with artists. They'll be relived that they're gone."
He added: "People are speculating that the company will be broken up by Citigroup, but I think that's unlikely. The way that the publishing wing and the record company part are structured – that's EMI's strength, it doesn't make sense to break it up.
"EMI will come through this. It's been doing well, they're still breaking artists like Tinie Tempah. And the publishing arm still does really well."
Music industry analyst Bob Lefsetz was less optimistic, saying that the takeover could leave new acts stranded.
"The only thing shocking about this is the timing," he said. "Everybody thought it was inevitable. You can expect Warner to buy EMI and then sell [music publishing company] Warner-Chappel to [rights management company] BMG Rights."
He added: "Where does this leave artists? Anybody who makes a deal with EMI right now is an idiot. Established artists like Coldplay and Katy Perry are OK, but if you're developing, you're screwed." http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/54801
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:30 pm |
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Wonder if this means we'll be hearing more EMI artists' music between innings at Mets games.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:34 pm |
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Quote: Citigroup set to put struggling EMI up for sale
US bank Citigroup looks set to put struggling record label EMI up for sale.
The bank took control of EMI in February this year after it called in the label's debt of over £3.4 billion.
The label had previously been owned by the Terra Firma company, with Citigroup loaning the money to allow its chairman, Guy Hands, to spearhead the takeover. However, Terra Firma could not get the label out of the red and the bank assumed control as a result.
According to Sky News, Citigroup has now announced that it has "initiated a process to explore and evaluate potential strategic alternatives, including a possible sale, recapitalisation or initial public offering for the company."
Pink Floyd, Pete Doherty, Katy Perry, Robbie Williams and Gorillaz are amongst the artists signed to EMI. http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/57478
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:29 pm |
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Quote: Universal set to become first bidders for EMI
Universal Music Group is expected to be an early bidder for the EMI group, according to sources.
Yesterday it was announced that US bank Citigroup, who took control of the label in March this year are set to put the label up for sale, opening up a bidding process likely to take months.
Now Universal, the largest of the four major record companies, will be the first to throw its hat into the ring, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Universal decided not to chase the acquisition of Warner Music Group when it was put up for auction earlier this year, primarily because a merger of the two companies would have struggled to meet monopoly legislation, since both companies have double digit market share in both Europe and the US.
But it is believed that a mash up of Universal and EMI would be an easier sell to regulators, since according to the most recent figures, EMI's market share was just under 9%.
For Warners' part, they are expected to launch a bid once their own sale has gone through. They were bought earlier this year by oligarch Len Blavatnik for $3.3 billion. http://www.nme.com/news/katy-perry/57493
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:48 pm |
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So soon we'll have what, two major international conglomerate music corporations...? 
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:25 am |
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Dr. Chris Evil wrote: So soon we'll have what, two major international conglomerate music corporations...?  3 I think (Sony, Uni & WARNER)  Once again, it's hard to comment without breaking the no politics rule, though in no way do i blame this on 1 specific party.
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:22 pm |
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Quote: David Bowie 'set to follow Robbie Williams by leaving EMI'
David Bowie is on the verge of leaving his record label EMI, according to reports.
The Financial Times claims that the legendary singer is poised to end his 15-year association with the label, which saw Robbie Williams walk away last month. The former Take That man, who had spent his entire solo career with the firm, reportedly left over disagreements with the way the label was being run.
Universal Music and Sony Music are apparently in talks to sign Bowie when the deal with EMI ends in January. EMI declined to comment to the newspaper over the claims.
Whether Bowie will release any new music – or even play live again – is another matter however. Earlier this year, the Thin White Duke's biographer Paul Trynka said it would take a "miracle" for Bowie to return.
Bowie has not released a new album since 2003's 'Reality' and not played live since 2006, when he sang onstage with Alicia Keys in New York City. He has given no indication he is likely to tour again. http://www.nme.com/news/david-bowie/60274
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Post subject: "Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line ... like EMI" Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:36 pm |
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So he's changing labels just for back catalog?
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