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 Post subject: The Hero/Villain Good to Evil or Evil to Good Thread Thing.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:28 pm 
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Pick one hero at Marvel or DC that you'd like to see become a bad guy. Pick one bad guy at Marvel or DC that you'd like to see become a hero.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:28 pm 
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Fine, I'll start. :P

Hero to villain (Marvel): Wolverine. Not in a short-term mind-controlled way, but fully committing to being a bad guy. He's Vandal Savage crossed with the Punisher, and could be a pretty serious threat.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:39 pm 
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Tony Stark.

Granted, Tony Stark as a villain is kinda sorta Lex Luthor, but Stark would have much more class. And hair.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:05 pm 
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I really like the idea of Wolverine as a villain. It is actually surprising that he isn't. As far as X-Men go, Kitty Pryde would be a hell of a good cat burglar. Hell, Cat Burglar would be her nom d'crime!

Bad to good?

Doc Ock could be a Reed Richards type easily enough.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:35 pm 
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I'm tempted to say Doc Doom, except, from a certain perspective, he's already there. It's really just his oversized ego that's keeping him from being Marvel's greatest hero...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:18 pm 
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I would like for someone other than Carol Ferrris gain control of the Star Sapphire and become a major DC heroine.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:48 pm 
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The Wasp (along with reviving her of course)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:19 pm 
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Moon Knight comes to the DC Universe, and instead of being his usual mixed up multiple personality good guy, he becomes the new Anti Batman.

Red Tornado goes to Marvel Comics and becomes the Vision's alter-ego, and evil to boot.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:23 pm 
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Mark wrote:
Moon Knight comes to the DC Universe, and instead of being his usual mixed up multiple personality good guy, he becomes the new Anti Batman.

Red Tornado goes to Marvel Comics and becomes the Vision's alter-ego, and evil to boot.

These are very cool. Would like to read them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:55 am 
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I would like for someone other than Carol Ferrris gain control of the Star Sapphire and become a major DC heroine.


Reading GL at the moment?

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Fatality (a Kyle Rayner nemesis) just joined the Star Sapphire corps. It's unclear whether she'll become good.

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 Post subject: The Hero/Villain Good to Evil or Evil to Good Thread Thing.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:26 am 
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Hero to Villain:

DC - Allan Scott
Marvel - Captain America (Steve Rogers)

For Scott, the catalyst could be losing Jade, though I guess it may echo too close to Parallax. Would be interesting to see, particularly considering how he has ties to such a large section of the DCU.
For Cap, just seeing how others would respond to him. And I'm not talking Civil War disagreement, I'm talking flat out villiany.

Villain to Hero:
Marvel: The Lizard.
DC: Black Manta


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Marvel Hero-to-Villain: Vision (easily done with reprogramming or a virus or something)
DC Hero-to-Villain: Green Arrow (I sort of already consider him a villain anyway lol)

Marvel Villain-to-Hero: The Crusader (let's have a good Christian for a change instead of a zealot)
DC Villain-to-Hero: Rampage

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:17 am 
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Hank Pym to villain
Mad Thinker to hero

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:13 pm 
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Darin wrote:
Marvel Villain-to-Hero: The Crusader (let's have a good Christian for a change instead of a zealot)


Well, IIRC he was shown admitting that maybe he had gone too far, so perhaps he's due for a Damascus Road moment.

I'd vote for Mysterio to become a hero. I always thought his use of gadgetry was cool. And he's a Spidey villain. They've been known to go straight now and then.

Wolverine would be a great choice for villain-to-hero. I have a hard time considering anybody that bloodthirsty a hero in the first place.

At DC, the original Crime Doctor was a sympathetic bad guy. He turned to crime partly for the thrill and partly to ensure through good planning that nobody got hurt during his heists--and he gave his cut to charity. He could see the light and become a real hero.

Hero to villain--let's see, what about Kyle Rayner? He could go insane, nearly destroy the universe, and then...no, on second thought that would probably create more trouble with fans than it would be worth....

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:19 pm 
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On the DC side of things, it'd be kind of cool if the Barry Allen that returned became a villain, being the Reverse-Flash to Wally's Flash.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:31 pm 
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Monk wrote:
On the DC side of things, it'd be kind of cool if the Barry Allen that returned became a villain, being the Reverse-Flash to Wally's Flash.


Oh my, that WOULD be asking for trouble from fans! :shock: :shock: :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:33 pm 
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Oh, I know. :) I just think it'd be interesting for the Reverse-Flash to unquestionably be smarter and more experienced than the Flash, not to mention the personal connection.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:42 pm 
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Good to bad:

Hmmmm. Brainiac 5 would make a good enemy for the LoSH.

Namor is arguably better (more interesting) as a bad guy.

Bad to good:

Icicle from the Injustice Society (as a member of JSA)

Molecule Man (with Volcana)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:06 pm 
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One of my favorite examples of a villain-turned-hero (or at the very least, anti-hero) was Doom 2009...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:20 am 
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Monk wrote:
Oh, I know. :) I just think it'd be interesting for the Reverse-Flash to unquestionably be smarter and more experienced than the Flash, not to mention the personal connection.


Would be neat, but may echo a bit too closely to Kyle Rayner and Hal as Parallax.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:24 am 
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True, in a way. I kind of think it'd work better, though, since Wally's already established as The Flash, and has been for years, and there's an actual relationship between Wally and Barry.

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