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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:26 pm |
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I had originally posted this in the Doc Savage -- and the all things Pulpy McPulpster thread thread, but I decided the Spider could use his own thread, in honor of the new Moonstone book. On an impulse buy, I picked it up this past Wednesday. Titled "The Spider." Moonstone is dedicated to all things pulp, retro, and cool. Anyway, I only bought it because the art looked appealing in a rough way, and the two-color coloring was interesting. But I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked it. The writing is blunt and pulpy. I'll probably pick up another issue. I've never really gotten to know the Spider really well. This gave me an excuse. 
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:27 pm |
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Here's a helpful (and good) review of the new Spider book at Robot 6: http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/20 ... he-spider/Quote: There’s something very attractive about the classic pulp heroes. As cool as superpowers can be, there’s a reason that Batman’s the most popular superhero on the planet and a huge part of that is that he’s a (relatively) normal guy. I’m not telling you anything you don’t know.
What I find interesting is this entire pulp heritage that he’s heir to. We don’t have time to dig into why Batman’s more popular than Doc Savage, the Shadow, and the Spider, but it would be fascinating to pull that apart and look at it sometime. For now, let’s concentrate on the similarities. There’s this huge catalog of characters that share some extremely close similarities with the Dark Knight (many of whom predate him in creation) and yet we don’t hear much about them anymore.
Moonstone’s trying to change that with their Return of the Originals event and that makes me happy. I’m also happy about DC’s whole First Wave thing (or was until that previous post) that I’m finally going to get to read when the first collection comes out in a couple of months, but Moonstone’s effort is even wider spread. They’re reintroducing a ton of characters to comics that I’ve heard about most of my life, but until now have never read a single adventure of. One of the most intriguing is The Spider.
The Spider
What I’ve heard about The Spider is that he’s sort of a cross between Batman and the Joker. We’ve all heard the comparisons between those two characters (“I made you?! You made me!”), but The Spider (who beat both of DC’s characters to print by several years) combines them in an interesting way. He puts on a costume and fights crime, but he’s really violent about it and laughs maniacally the entire time. Or so I’ve been told.
The first issue of Martin Powell and Pablo Marcos’ new series is also the first Spider story I’ve ever read, but it certainly reinforces that description. The similarities between The Spider and Batman are huge. The story opens with wealthy playboy Richard Wentworth’s being grilled by his friend Commissioner Kirkpatrick about a subway incident at which witnesses placed both Wentworth and The Spider. Apparently, Kirkpatrick is also a bit of Lois Lane to Wentworth’s Clark Kent in that he suspects the secret identity, but isn’t able to prove it.
Powell doesn’t spend a lot of time on that, but I hope he comes back to it later. I always like Lois and Clark’s relationship best when she was trying to prove that he was Superman, but she was so bad at it (to be fair, the deck was stacked against her) that she was never a real threat. But imagine if Jim Gordon knew – really knew – that Bruce Wayne was Batman and was constantly on his case to prove it. There’s an element of danger there that already makes we want to come back for the next issue.
The real plot of The Spider #1 has to do with the abduction of Wentworth’s girlfriend who does know that he’s The Spider. Even though this is the first issue of an ongoing series, it’s a done-in-one story with a mad scientist and a – well, “army” would be an exaggeration, but certainly a “gang” of undead creatures. Not zombies thankfully. Powell and Marcos’ depiction of them owes more to Mary Shelley than George Romero. They’re not the scariest part of the story though. That would be The Spider himself.
Though Wentworth appears normal enough, when he puts on his wig, mask, cape, and fake fangs he seems to switch personalities. The descriptions of The Spider as violent and maniacal are apt. What’s unclear from this issue is whether that’s an act or a true shift in personality brought on by the change in costume, but I don’t really care to learn the answer to that. Not knowing makes the character more interesting. Just like Kirkpatrick’s investigation of Wentworth, this is something I’d love to see Powell tease out for a long time.
Operator 5
Also in this issue is a back-up story by Gary Phillips and Roberto Castro featuring a character called Operator 5. Unlike the lead story, this one will be continued in the next issue, but there’s nothing wrong with that. Operator 5 is a mysterious agent working for an unseen boss, so there was a lot of potential for him to have been an extremely bland protagonist. That’s not the case though thanks to a couple of things that make him particularly endearing.
First, there’s the way Castro draws him. I love Castro’s work on the whole story, but his depiction of the unnamed hero combines square-jawed toughness with expressive gentleness. There’s no doubt that he’s a capable fighter, but there’s an extremely attractive vulnerability about him too that gets you rooting for him even though you know nothing about him. It’s impressively done and is backed up by Phillips’ script. When the white supremacist that the undercover Operator 5 is investigating asks, “Do you love your country, Joe?” and Operator 5 answers, “That I do, sir. There’s very little I wouldn’t do in that regard,” you know exactly what he’s talking about and you can’t wait for the villain to find out too.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:28 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: I think Stan said The Spider's name influenced his choice to make his bug superhero "Spider-Man". He did, and on a related note the "character title" pulps helped usher in the superhero era. There were only a small number of pulps where the name of the pulp was the name of the featured character -- the Shadow, Doc Savage, G-8, the Spider, maybe a couple of others. And this conditioned the the pop culture to transition to "character based" publication. Think about it -- Tarzan did not appear in a pulp called Tarzan. Sherlock Holmes didn't. Conan didn't. Nick Carter didn't. And so on. And it was a historical accident that got it started. The Shadow was created in 1930 as only the radio narrator of Detective Story Hour -- a Rod Serling type narrator who was not in the stories. The show was created by Street & Smith to promote Detective Story Magazine. But people kept showing up and asking for "that Shadow magazine." Street & Smith took the hint and came out with a pulp called The Shadow in 1931, and featured a monthly adventure with him. It promptly became the bestselling pulp. Soon after, they commissioned the creation of Doc Savage in 1933, and he took his place as a monster bestseller alongside The Shadow. So by 1934, the two most popular pulps were now "character-based," named after the popular character featured in their pages. The Spider came out in October 1933, after Doc Savage had premiered April 1933. G-8 also came out in October 1933. There were not many others -- but it's apparent how the generation of comic book creators where heavily influence by this way of thinking about a book or character. Almost all those old timers (Stan included) talk about how the pulps filled their heads with ideas when it came time to write superhero comics. It was Mort Weisinger (who loved Doc Savage and Captain Future) who imported much of the pulp sci-fi feel into the Superman title in the 1940's And yet Superman still debuts in a title called "Action," (I think the publishers were caught off guard by his runaway popularity). Before long, it became the norm to not only title a book after popular characters, but for the reader/fan to think of what he liked in terms of the character. To think of himself as a buyer of the character. It seems obvious in retrospect, but it took that initial Shadow thing to get it going.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:29 pm |
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First issue of the Spider, cover dated October 1933: 
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:29 pm |
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G-8 was by Popular Publications, the same Publisher as Spider. So it seems that together, the Spider and G-8 were Popular's answer to Street and Smiths's Shadow and Doc Savage.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:40 pm |
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:41 pm |
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Tim Truman did a Spider revival in Eclipse Comics in the 1990s. Apparently Truman's take on it was to write The Spider into the 1990s, but he tried to write it as if an author from the 1930s was trying to imagine what the 1990s would be like. Sounds interesting. There are free two issues of that book available in .cbr format at http://newcomicbackup.wordpress.com/cat ... se-comics/They want you to pay for the service, but you can wait 40 seconds, and download a a file or two at a time for free. Then they deliberately throddle down the download time while an amusing cartoon graphic tries to show you how much you are wasting my not buying the fast download service.  No big honk. I just wanted an idea of what the book was like. It can download while I'm typing up this post here. If it looks good, I'll just buy the back issues.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:43 pm |
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And here's a sample panel of the artwork:  Oh, nice: page 44 contains an article about The Spider serials.  Milehighcomics.com has issues 1–3 in NM for $1.75 each. I'll likely pick those up the next time I place an order to them for back issues. And they don't seem to have a CODEWORD sale on at the moment. I like the 20–40% discounts deals they tend to offer since I tend to believe they overcharge by 10–30%  There are instead selling Marvek and DC trades for 40–60% off cover price. Not that I'm overly cheap and need a codeword for three $1.75 books, but I'd like to buy a few other things to make the postage worthwhile. 
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:23 am |
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Despite Conan's face being a little wonky, I really like that Conan piece up there.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:15 am |
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Here are some pencils from that first issue of the Spider -- you can really see the Marvel zombie look coming through. And Pablo is to be commended for his level of quality at age 74. He has aged well. 
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:25 am |
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I wonder where he is with doing his work given that he's over 70 -- is he a total machine, cranking out pages at amazing speeds? Still self-critical and agonizing over each one? Or have physical ailments impeded his abilities and each page is a struggle?
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:17 am |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: I wonder where he is with doing his work given that he's over 70 -- is he a total machine, cranking out pages at amazing speeds? Still self-critical and agonizing over each one? Or have physical ailments impeded his abilities and each page is a struggle? I'll bet he's slow. This book was announced months ago, and the Spider story is quite short. The issue is filled out by the G-8 story (which was quite good, I thought, and one of the reasons I plan to continue buying this book).
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:25 am |
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James pointed out earlier that he thought people might have trouble inking Marcos' work (not knowing where to start) Maybe Moonstone could save some time and just shoot the pencils like DC did for Gene Colan's work on Nathanial Disk? I think that might work well here with Marcos, too, and invoke an interesting mood.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:52 am |
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Ah, wait a few days and get rewarded: milehighcomic.com is offering a 30% off sale (keyword=GREATDEAL!) and free shipping on orders over $10.
So, I'll be picking up those three Spider issues from 1990 today and a few other things.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:18 am |
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Well, that worked out rather well. While ordering those Truman The Spider issues, I saw that Eclipse had another 3-issue Spider series (at least inked by Truman). The first issue of that mini-series was a bit pricy at $6, but with the discount and free shipping, I was able to get
The Spider #1–3, and the The Spider: Reign of the Vampire #1–3 for just $10.92 total. I'll let you know if these are any good.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:15 pm |
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I enjoyed The Spider issue by Powell and Marcos from Moonstone Comics, and felt the limited color in the was quite effective in helping to set the mood. But it really the backup feature of Operator 5 that left me wanting for more.
I know that Operator 5 was a pulp hero, and had had his own magazine, but that's it. This tale is set in Depression era America, and it apparently features secret agent Jimmy Christopher, but he is working under cover as "Joe" and is trying to infiltrate the "Nordic Cross, " a well funded, well-organized hate group set bent upon "cleaning up" America for white people.
Very nicely done. I will continue to buy The Spider issues.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:19 pm |
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:20 pm |
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I agree -- it was the Operator 5 story that hooked me more than the Spider one.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:20 pm |
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I called it G-8 above. Just a crossed wire in my head.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:44 pm |
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The Spider tale feels like it's an episode of a series you've been watching for a couple of years; it does what it does best, and gives the audience only what they've come to expect. While with the Operator 5 installment, it feels like I've just stepped into some new, exciting adventure on the ground level. Definitely feels like there's some weight to it, and it has a sense of dangerous suspense.
Artwork by Robert Castro was good, too. I'm not familiar with him. He kind of reminds me a little of Howard Chaykin.
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:49 pm |
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Here's an excerpt from an article/interview with Operator 5 author, Gary Phillips: Phillips wrote: As a contributor to the ROTO [Moonstone's Return of the Originals] line, I’ve been tasked with composing the new and continuing adventures of a licensed pulp-era character Moonstone has acquired, Jimmy Christopher, Operator 5. Christopher is a World War I veteran, the son of a spy.
He’s also an undercover operative for the American Intelligence Service, who takes on wild super villains, their strange weapons, and their bold schemes in order to protect democracy. Christopher appeared originally in adventures such as Revolt of the Devil Men, Invasion of the Crimson Death Cult, and a yearlong saga, The Purple Invasion (played out over 13 issues), in which America was taken over by the notorious Purple Empire, a thinly disguised Germany....
...my interest in resurrecting the Operator 5 series is to emphasize the psychological toll that going undercover for the U.S. government has on Jimmy Christopher. After all, he must undertake questionable acts at times in order to maintain his disguise; how does that affect his relationships with his lady love, reporter Diane Elliot, as well as with others? Also, I’m very interested in providing some depth between Jimmy and his dad, John Christopher, a retired spy once known as Q-6.
What was it like growing up with such a secretive father, who at some point made the decision to train his son in spycraft--to lie, cheat, and steal in the service of his country? Additionally I plan to weave in real-life historical figures and situations from the Great Depression, hoping to better ground the character and his life in the time period of his stories."
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Post subject: The Spider (including new book by Moonstone) Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:51 pm |
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As I'm deep into Chapter serials from the 30s and 40s right now, "Operator 5" has arrived at just the right time for me. This looks like a very promising start of his adventures.
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