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 Post subject: Tom Petty & Brickwalling
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:17 pm 
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Great news here; Petty 100% "gets it".

Tom Petty's Management team wrote:
Tom Petty Hi-Res Remastering Note:
The Hi-Res (24bit 96K) remastering of the Tom Petty catalog reveals a level of detail that was only previously heard by a select group of musicians, producers and engineers in the studio. It’s as close to the sound of original stereo master as you can get. We’re very happy with the way it came out, and believe it’s an important way to preserve the legacy of this great body of work.

If hearing the highest possible sound quality is important to you, then this is where you’ll get it.

The remastering was done in the fall of 2014 by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering. I supervised it and Tom approved it. Great care was taken to find the original first-generation masters and transfer them with minimal eq and little or no dynamic range compression. In cases where the first-generation masters were unusable, we used the best sounding second-generation masters.*

To allow for full dynamic range, and to let the music “breathe” the Hi-Res versions have about 6-8db less digital level than a typical “loud” peak-limited CD or mp3. To enjoy these albums to their fullest extent, play them back though a good system and turn up the volume.

With this increased level of detail and sonic impact, we hope you'll enjoy rediscovering these great albums as much as we did!


Video of Petty talking about hi-res


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:27 pm 
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It would be nice if these came out in a physical format.

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 Post subject: Tom Petty & Brickwalling
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:33 pm 
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I think there is a blu-ray audio of Full Moon Fever; not sure of it's the same mastering, though. I.E.: whether it was done by Universal (probably brickwalled as hell), or by the Petty team (what I quoted above).

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:50 pm 
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Geff R. wrote:
I think there is a blu-ray audio of Full Moon Fever; not sure of it's the same mastering, though. I.E.: whether it was done by Universal (probably brickwalled as hell), or by the Petty team (what I quoted above).

Did you mean Damn The Torpedoes? It's not, but you'll listen to it and say it is, so I don't know what to tell you.

I want physical releases like Chris does (and surround too), but am not clear on the process by which these digital remasters are made available. It seems to be different for each artist and every instance that you've mentioned in your HD threads, Geff. Does the creation of digital hi-res editions automatically mean that the same Petty remasters would be available for physical release by a label that wanted to put them out?

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I don't know all the internal mechanizations. It would have to depend on which artist's licensing, copyright status, & if this issue concerns them.

I have no clue what I would say about DTP w/o hearing it or at least seeing a DR reading (they are accurate compared to what I hear 95%+ of the time)

Like Neil Young, Petty does have major interest in this issue & like Neil Young probably has a high degree of control of his masters.

Please don't think that I believe that physical discs are inferior to dl's & that dl's are never brickwalled. That is not the case. While I am coming to the conclusion that discs are no longer necessary, there is nothing in either format that requires brickwalling; I have heard a ton of DREADFUL brickwalled hi-res downloads also (which really makes no sense; both hi-res discs & ho-res dl's are marketed to a hi-res audiophile audience, 90%+ of whom hate brickwalling as much as I do).

On my systems original SACD discs do sound better than any rip or download; though there are now DSD/DSF d/a's out there that will play the raw files without conversion to PCM (I just don't have one!). Unfortunately, there is SOME degradation converting DSD to PCM (still better than a cd, though). That statement is only reffering to downloads; because SACD's are encrypted they either must be played with an internal da, or ripped to PCM. The straight DSD will not be output by the digital out of a standard player.

I suspect with the labels, alot of it is a matter of which executive is assigned to a given project.

As an example, I am pretty sure that Uni now owns Capitol. Almost all of the last year's Capitol dl's (Pat Benatar, Canned Heat & Billy Idol quickly come to mind) have been badly brickwalled; which is not at all necessarily true with other Uni hr dl's.

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FYI: I did some research. I'd forgotten there was a Download DE of DTT at 96/24 mastered in 2010. It is NOT brickwalled. There is a reasonable chance that the blu used that master also. Again, I have not heard the BR, & have never seen any info on it.

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Video of Petty talking about hi-res


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When I first saw the thread title, I thought Tom Petty had started a side group named "Brickwalling."

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Geff R. wrote:
FYI: I did some research. I'd forgotten there was a Download DE of DTT at 96/24 mastered in 2010. It is NOT brickwalled. There is a reasonable chance that the blu used that master also. Again, I have not heard the BR, & have never seen any info on it.

Here's a review that mentions incredible dynamics, a joy to listen to, etc.:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1I0FJK10GNPYU/?tag=imwan-20

I don't know. Run the numbers on it and check the waveforms. It sounded good to me.

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 Post subject: Tom Petty & Brickwalling
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:14 pm 
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The dl does sound good (I forgot I have it). In fact all of the older TP hr I have (including the blu from the live box) sounds good.

I hope your comment on the sound wasn't based on a lossy Amazon stream, though!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:28 pm 
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The dl does sound good (I forgot I have it). In fact all of the older TP hr I have (including the blu from the live box) sounds good.

I hope your comment on the sound wasn't based on a lossy Amazon stream, though!

No, it was based on how the BDA sounded to my ears when played on my system. Please don't make me fill out an equipment profile.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:20 am 
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In the irony of the week, around 75% of Lou Reed's solo catalog is out on hi-res (rushed out right after his passing). If anything, he was more rabid than Young & Petty about sound quality; in fact he believed in Analog only. And the hi res catalog release is.................. you guessed it, horribly brickwalled. (I've had the painful experience of hearing part of R&R Animal). I suspect Lou is rolling in his grave.

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Not that this has anything to do with Tom Petty (or Lou Reed), but I was looking into maybe or maybe not ordering a couple older titles by a metal band named Coroner. Then I saw the following stated in the product description on their website and it made the CDs easy no-brainer buys.

"This old school original is explicitly not digitally re-mastered."

https://coroner.myshopify.com/collectio ... w-re-issue


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:13 pm 
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Not that this has anything to do with Tom Petty (or Lou Reed), but I was looking into maybe or maybe not ordering a couple older titles by a metal band named Coroner. Then I saw the following stated in the product description on their website and it made the CDs easy no-brainer buys.

"This old school original is explicitly not digitally re-mastered."

https://coroner.myshopify.com/collectio ... w-re-issue


I wonder if that could become a selling tool for catalog CDs that never got remastered.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:27 pm 
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The problem with 1st gen cd's was crummy primitive a/d convertors. We now have quality studio gear, but a high % of idiots using it............... :sigh:

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When I first saw the thread title, I thought Tom Petty had started a side group named "Brickwalling."

Replace the lyrics with ♫ And I'm brick ... brick wallin'


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