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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:56 pm 
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Neil Young Expands Pono Digital-to-Analog Music Service

Aretha Franklin had never sounded so shocking, Flea decided last year, as "Respect" roared from the speakers of Neil Young's Cadillac Eldorado. Stunned by the song's clarity, the Red Hot Chili Peppers' bassist listened alongside bandmate Anthony Kiedis and producer Rick Rubin while Young showcased the power of Pono, his high-resolution music service designed to confront the compressed audio inferiority that MP3s offer.

Beginning next year, Pono will release a line of portable players, a music-download service and digital-to-analog conversion technology intended to present songs as they first sound during studio recording sessions. In his book out this week, Waging Heavy Peace, Young writes that Pono will help unite record companies with cloud storage "to save the sound of music." As Flea raves to Rolling Stone, "It's not like some vague thing that you need dogs' ears to hear. It's a drastic difference."

Pono's preservation of the fuller, analog sound already has the ear of the Big Three record labels: Warner Music Group, Universal Music Group and Sony Music. WMG – home to artists including Muse, the Black Keys, Common and Jill Scott – has converted its library of 8,000 album titles to high-resolution, 192kHz/24-bit sound. It was a process completed prior to the company's partnership with Young's Pono project last year, said Craig Kallman, chairman and chief executive of Atlantic Records.

In mid-2011, Kallman invested with Young and helped assemble a Pono team that included representatives from audio giants Meridian and Dolby, according to insiders. Once WMG signed on, Kallman said that he and Young approached UMG CEO Lucian Grainge and Sony Music CEO Doug Morris about remastering their catalogs for Pono distribution. Neither UMG nor Sony officially acknowledged those conversations.

"This has to be an industry-wide solution. This is not about competing – this is about us being proactive," Kallman tells Rolling Stone. "This is all about purely the opportunity to bring the technology to the table."

The title of Waging Heavy Peace refers to the response that Young gave a friend who questioned whether the singer-songwriter was declaring war on Apple with his new service.

"I have consistently reached out to try to assist Apple with true audio quality, and I have even shared my high-resolution masters with them," Young writes, adding that he traded emails and phone calls with Steve Jobs about Pono before the tech king's death last October. Apple declined to comment on whether a collaborative or competitive relationship with Pono exists.

Apple's Mastered for iTunes program, which launched last year with the release of Red Hot Chili Peppers' I'm With You, requires mastering engineers to provide audio quality based on a listener's environment – such as a car, a flight or a club. Those dissatisfied with Apple's AAC format argue that it still represents a fraction of the high-resolution options that Pono promises to deliver. Engineers have debated the value of sound quality for years.

In early June 2011, after filing a handful of trademarks for his cloud-based service idea, Young traveled to the Bonnaroo Festival to perform with Buffalo Springfield. While he was there, he invited fellow musicians into his Cadillac for a Pono demo, including members of Mumford & Sons and My Morning Jacket, and videotaped their reactions for a potential marketing campaign.

"Neil's premise is cool, and I think it's exciting as a traveling musician," My Morning Jacket frontman Jim James tells Rolling Stone. However, he adds a caveat: "I think that's somewhere that he has to be careful: I've already bought Aretha Franklin's 'Respect' a lot of times. Do I have to buy it again?"

While Young acknowledges in his book that existing digital purchases will play on Pono devices, he points out that his service "will force iTunes to be better and to improve quality at a faster pace."

"His reasons are so not based in commerce, and based in just the desire for people to really feel the uplifting spirit of music," Flea said in defense of Young. "MP3s suck. It's just a shadow of the music."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... e-20120927

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:13 pm 
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I hope Pono is compatible with the technology we already have; I'm really not up for buying new hardware.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Here he is on Letterman showing off the prototype Pono player. It's triangular:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Btw, "pono" is Hawaiian for "righteous".


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:31 pm 
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Kym wrote:
Btw, "pono" is Hawaiian for "righteous".



So cool! Thanks Kym from Hawaii.

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PS Just bought Neil Youngs new bio today. Can't wait to dive into it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:49 am 
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how do you get the music into the thing?

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Renny wrote:
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how do you get the music into the thing?


You realize that you sound like an old fart here. (Not that I have too many answers!)

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Walter P wrote:
Renny wrote:
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how do you get the music into the thing?


You realize that you sound like an old fart here. (Not that I have too many answers!)



walter,

i am an old fart.

renny


and this is bugging me, because somehow some way you will have to load this thing. none of us has access to master tapes, so we will have to get the PONO loaded at some site, and i would imagine that said site will not be direct master tapes, but some other type of download inferior to master tape quality. unless neil young thinks i am going to re-buy all my music again just load my PONO, and if he thinks that, he has a big surprise coming to him. i don't know too many of us that are going to re-buy our music for a 3rd or even 4th, possibly 5th, time. i certainly will not.

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Supposedly the Pono service will offer both streaming and download options. And yes, of course we'd have to rebuy everything -- or at least subscribe -- and possibly purchase their player or other hardware. It's a new file format (which will probably have the extension .SQS, for "Studio Quality Sound") which isn't currently supported by any devices.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:10 pm 
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Linda wrote:
Supposedly the Pono service will offer both streaming and download options. And yes, of course we'd have to rebuy everything -- or at least subscribe -- and possibly purchase their player or other hardware. It's a new file format (which will probably have the extension .SQS, for "Studio Quality Sound") which isn't currently supported by any devices.



thanks, linda.

can anyone say "dual-disc"?

OK how about "surround sound"?

DVD-A?

dbx?


think they will ever learn?

whom does neil young think he is goning to sell this to?

kids today could care less about sound quality and old farts just aren't going to buy everything again, anyone look at the value of used CD's recently.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:12 pm 
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Renny wrote:
Linda wrote:
Supposedly the Pono service will offer both streaming and download options. And yes, of course we'd have to rebuy everything -- or at least subscribe -- and possibly purchase their player or other hardware. It's a new file format (which will probably have the extension .SQS, for "Studio Quality Sound") which isn't currently supported by any devices.



thanks, linda.

can anyone say "dual-disc"?

OK how about "surround sound"?

DVD-A?

dbx?


think they will ever learn?

whom does neil young think he is goning to sell this to?

kids today could care less about sound quality and old farts just aren't going to buy everything again, anyone look at the value of used CD's recently.


As I watched him on Letterman explaining it the other night-I thought who really cares at this stage about something like this, and no way in hell am I going to "pono" up the cash for another format.
I do think if anyone could get the sonic details right-it's NY, but I think this was a good idea...in 2000.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:35 pm 
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As I mentioned above, after recently buying the oppo 95 which will pretty much play anything, it's unlikely i would be buying new hardware for Pono; though I'm sure someone will come out with open source software to convert it to flac. Unfortunately any conversion slightly degrades the sound quality, but hopefully with pono it will be no worse than changing a wav file to flac.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:00 pm 
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I can't understand what is wrong with FLAC or even PCM (wav) ?


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.wav is straight pcm. Nothing wrong at all. My point with flac is that ANY conversion introduces some distortion (jitter, quantization error, etc) though most of us (including myself) can't hear much of it if at all. I do use flac frequently.

I suspect Young's idwa is a variation on high res with smaller file size. I also think that since most folks do have at least a 10mbps internet connection these days, Flac is small enough for high res. Christ, some people are downloading 25 gb blu-ray discs!

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Hi Friend,

There's an awfully good chance you heard about a revolution we're working on. Something that will significantly improve the way you get to hear and feel your favorite music.

Shocking you say? That perhaps the promise of "Perfect Sound Forever" propagated by the inventors of the Compact Disc was a bust? And that "CD Quality" promoted by the likes of iTunes and the creators of the MP3 was only an inkling of the flawed format they were hoping to emulate?

We're here to say it's incredibly true! Miraculously, there's a wealth of music & soul (or if you must, "data") trapped on millions of recordings made over the last half century, that we're hoping to unleash for the very first time.

Can you imagine? Your own personal time machine, to take you back to the place and time of the original musical event, and let you feel music in ways you've only felt seeing it live? We here at Pono are listening to it now and assure you, IT'S AMAZING!!!!

We ask dear music lover that you root for Pono bringing this very real technology to the world. We're still toiling away on making this happen (yes, there are record labels, artists, publishers and more to finalize with), but we wanted to share our excitement with you.

In the meantime, please follow us on Facebook or Twitter for updates.

Rescuing an art form,

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Steve wrote:
At least they didn't call it pene.


I'm sure that's being reserved somewhere for an Information System, "The Pene IS."
That would really be appropriate for a lot of the IT specialists I know.


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Linda wrote:
A bare-bones website is now live:

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Hi Friend,

We ask dear music lover that you root for Pono bringing this very real technology to the world. We're still toiling away on making this happen (yes, there are record labels, artists, publishers and more to finalize with), but we wanted to share our excitement with you.

In the meantime, please follow us on Facebook or Twitter for updates.

Rescuing an art form,

The Pono Team

http://www.mypono.com

Forgive me if I don't root for Pono. I won't root against them, but any discretionary income I have will be spent on purchasing new music and not stuff I've bought 3 times and new devices to play it on.
"Rescuing an art form"? Really, now, isn't that just a bit pretentious?

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I hope it's compatible with the hardware I've already paid for!

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can you say "dual-disc"?

how about "surround sound"

SACD

DBX

XRCD

MFSL

DCC


and i am sure i am forgetting some.

most people, including me. just are not going to buy something for the 3rd and 4th time. they got us all on the LP to Cd switch, but i think that was just about the end, i doubt the boomers will buy it all again, under any circumstances.

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and i am sure i am forgetting some.

T Bone Burnett's CODE audio format


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Renny wrote:
can you say "dual-disc"?

how about "surround sound"

SACD

DBX

XRCD

MFSL

DCC


and i am sure i am forgetting some.

most people, including me. just are not going to buy something for the 3rd and 4th time. they got us all on the LP to Cd switch, but i think that was just about the end, i doubt the boomers will buy it all again, under any circumstances.

Uh, MFSL is not a format. 8-)


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