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Sheesh. You can't even buy a beer or a bottle of water anymore for $5.50 or $6.50.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:49 am 
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From Gibson.com:

These days, a “supergroup” usually consists of a guest rap here or there. (Or Chickenfoot.) Back in the ‘70s and ‘80s, it was all the rage and ex-Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett says he had very real plans to form a band featuring ELP’s Keith Emerson, Cream’s Jack Bruce and renowned session drummer Simon Phillips (Toto, Judas Priest, Jeff Beck and more). The quartet even made demos.

Hackett has told Ultimate Classic Rock, “Keith Emerson and I were going to form a band with Jack Bruce and Simon Phillips. Of course, two of those guys have passed on now, but what talent, what drive. Irreplaceable. I have enormous respect and love for their work.

“It was the early ‘80s, before Keith reformed ELP with Cozy Powell. We had a band there for about five minutes, and it all seemed like it might be very good. But I think Keith and Jack had their differences, and afterwards Keith said to me, ‘Well, Jack’s gone now, but how would you feel about being the singer?' I said, ‘Whoa, in no way do I consider myself to be in Jack’s league as a singer.”

Although there are demos of the in-progress songs, Hackett recalls, “I think they were at a point where they didn’t have lyrics or what have you. But that stuff does indeed exist. It was a lot of work-in-progress. That's a particular baton I could be running with, but I haven’t so far. It’s what you prioritize in life, isn't it?”

If you need reminding it was all a merry-go-round of familiar faces, Hackett also reveals he was asked by Chris Squire to join Yes at one point to replace Steve Howe. Neither happened, although a few years after the aborted project with Bruce and Emerson, Hackett did form another so-called “supergroup”, GTR, with Steve Howe… of Yes! Hackett still plays GTR songs, particularly when playing the US where the GTR album of 1986 reached No. 11 on the Billboard chart, producing the hit singles "When the Heart Rules the Mind" and "The Hunter."

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I've heard some Hackett/Emerson demos. No Bruce unfortunately, that would have been awesome.

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It’s been over a decade since the legendary Genesis line-up of Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks played their last show and with all the band’s members getting older, the question that’s on every fan’s mind if whether they’ll ever reunite.

In a recent interview to promote Five, his upcoming album of orchestral music, Genesis keyboard player Tony Banks was asked about the possibility of getting the old band back together. His answer: “I don’t rule it out at all. Mike and I see each other all the time, we get on well, no problem. It’s never an impossibility.” He went on to praise the recent return to live touring by Phil Collins, though with the reminder that Collins isn’t able to drum anymore. He was also open to the idea of Collins’ son Nick filling in on drums, as he is on his father’s tour.


Over the past year, Banks’ Genesis bandmates have all issued positive statements regarding a potential reunion, with Rutherford saying, “I do appreciate the fact that we’re all very good friends, which is nice, especially the three of us. Who knows?” Collins too has been open to the idea in the past, saying, “Anything can happen, really.”

Tony Banks new album Five releases on February 23. Go here for more details.

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He was also open to the idea of Collins’ son Nick filling in on drums, as he is on his father’s tour.

Or they could have, you know, Chester Thompson.

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Just finishing up a run through the Genesis catalog (We Can't Dance is tonight's listen). It's just a real shame that Genesis has not put out any music in 20+ years. Considering that most of the members seem to get along, it's unfortunate that some combination of them haven't gotten together to do something. I realize the Ray Wilson thing didn't work, but enough time has passed that the audience might even be willing to give a different singer a go if Phil and Peter didn't want to do it.

Again, just a real shame that Tony and Mike haven't done any new music in such a long time because there was great chemistry there.


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Hank wrote:
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He was also open to the idea of Collins’ son Nick filling in on drums, as he is on his father’s tour.

Or they could have, you know, Chester Thompson.

It didn't say Chester wouldn't be there.

He and Nick could play together if Phil can't.

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Hank wrote:
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He was also open to the idea of Collins’ son Nick filling in on drums, as he is on his father’s tour.

Or they could have, you know, Chester Thompson.

It didn't say Chester wouldn't be there.

He and Nick could play together if Phil can't.

I think Chester by himself would do a fine job.

In my book he's at least Phil's equal.

No disrespect to Phil at all - Chester is just an amazing, powerful drummer, reminds me a lot of Billy Cobham. :rim:


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Personally, Steve Hackett's band is so top-notch. I don't even miss Genesis. With the last few Live DVD's and a personal attendance of a concert by Hackett.

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Hackett's band is great, but to me it doesn't compare to Genesis.

However, at this point, it's Steve who is keeping the Genesis flame burning and he's doing a wonderful job with it.

Each tour has been excellent and though the singer is very good, he's not close to Gabriel or Collins.

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Personally, Steve Hackett's band is so top-notch. I don't even miss Genesis. With the last few Live DVD's and a personal attendance of a concert by Hackett.

Looking forward to hearing the new Hackett. I've got it.

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Steve said tonight he is always open to a reunion but obviously don’t hold your breath.

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Geff R. wrote:
Rick A wrote:
Personally, Steve Hackett's band is so top-notch. I don't even miss Genesis. With the last few Live DVD's and a personal attendance of a concert by Hackett.

Looking forward to hearing the new Hackett. I've got it.

You will not be disappointed. :ohyes:

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Why Genesis Had to Keep Shedding Members

For Genesis, chart success really was a matter of addition by subtraction. Originally a five-piece prog behemoth, the band scored its biggest hit singles after being pared to a threesome.

They lost the first key member – co-founding guitarist Anthony "Ant" Phillips – after just two studio projects. Phil Collins arrived next, but first just as the drummer. Three records after that, however, original singer Peter Gabriel left. Two albums later, Phillips' replacement Steve Hackett was gone too.

How Genesis would have fared with some combination of these former creative forces remains an interesting parlor game. Keyboardist Tony Banks – who has more recently focused on classical music, rather than full-band collaborations – says Genesis may have simply amassed too much creative talent for any one group to contain.

I often wonder how – or if – Genesis could have survived if Anthony Phillips had stayed in the band. Do you think there would have been too many songwriters over the long run?
That's a difficult question to answer. Ant's a good friend and a fantastic musician. He was almost the real instigator of the band's existence in the first place, really. He wanted to play live in a way that Peter and I weren't sure about at all, and Mike [Rutherford] was Ant's friend, and they worked together. Steve brought something to the band – if you take away what he did, it would have been very different. I think it could have worked with Ant, definitely. I think we had to get a different drummer – that's for sure. So, obviously Phil would have been there. I think we would have been a good band with Ant, yeah! You can't rewrite history. I think Steve was a more accomplished lead player than Ant was perhaps ever going to be. Ant's a fantastic musician with chords and melodies and all that stuff, but I don't know that he was ever going to be a lead guitarist in the way Steve was. Steve was also very imaginative with sound, which was another great contribution to that period when he was with us. So, who knows? One of the reasons we went down from five to four to three is because there were too many writers in the band. That happens.

Steve Hackett, of course, is out there doing his Genesis Revisited tours, and he's made some interesting choices with a few of the songs. He has a saxophone player and hearing him do the flute solo on "Firth of Fifth," for example, gives the song quite a new feel. Have you seen one of his shows?
I actually haven't seen anything he's done recently. I just haven't gotten around to it. I saw him many years ago, but not doing the Genesis stuff. It's a little strange for us to hear the Genesis stuff, but I like the idea that he's doing different arrangements. I've heard one or two things on the records. I'm all in favor of people doing different things with it. What we did at the time was because of what we had available. As a writer, I'm always interested in doing different versions of the same piece. We all really enjoyed Disturbed's version of "Land of Confusion". It's similar, but added a sort of rock-y element to it. I liked that. I'm always in favor of rearrangements if you can do something new. I'm amazed how much Steve is doing of Genesis music, but that's his choice, and good luck to him.

Two years ago, Peter performed a snippet of "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" during his tour with Sting. A lot of Genesis fans, myself included, were pretty blown away. Did you see that? Did you talk to Peter about it?
I didn't see that. But Steve and Mike are allowed to play Genesis songs in the show. It's really nice that he did it. My only regret with Peter is that he hasn't done any original music in many years now, and it'd be nice to hear something. I'm not sure if he's going to do it now.

You need to tell him to get on that. It's been 16 years.
He's a very, very slow worker. I'm a very fast worker – and when we used to work together, we'd meet somewhere in the middle, and it worked out okay. Now that he's on his own, he takes any excuse to procrastinate. It's a shame, really, because he's written some wonderful songs and everything, but I think it's part of his makeup. Whether he'll do anything, I don't know.

You've been operating in the more pre-composed world of classical music for years now. Do you ever miss the organic process of playing with people in a room again?
I don't know, really. I've always been happy improvising on my own, in a way. When you're improvising with a group, there are these moments where you're playing something and it all comes together, and you get a little moment of magic. But a lot of the time you're improvising together, a lot of it's a pretty horrible sound. [Laughs.] It was great for us because no one was listening. It didn't matter if everyone was playing their own thing and it all went wrong. Sometimes you would play something, and you'd think, "That was pretty great, but I don't remember what it was." And then Mike's playing something completely counter to it that didn't work, so you didn't use it. That's what happens at home: You get moments where you think it's really working because it's just you. I can record it on the computer as I go along, so if I play something I think is good, I can hear it back immediately. I can also listen back to tapes – what I've played if I improvised for a half-hour, and sometimes you'll find things in there you didn't know you played that sound great. There are lots of different ways of writing.

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Man, before they up and die on us, the band needs to do a few select shows with Steve and Pete. My vision is them doing their catalog with a few songs with each of the old members.... and NO shows with the complete Lamb album.

Btw, I bought Tony's new classical solo disc. It's pretty good. Actually, better than his other classical outings

And WHY hasn't the rest of Tony's solo catalog been remastered as was said they would? The stuff on his solo box set was fantastic.


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Man, before they up and die on us, the band needs to do a few select shows with Steve and Pete. My vision is them doing their catalog with a few songs with each of the old members.... and NO shows with the complete Lamb album.

Btw, I bought Tony's new classical solo disc. It's pretty good. Actually, better than his other classical outings

And WHY hasn't the rest of Tony's solo catalog been remastered as was said they would? The stuff on his solo box set was fantastic.


That would also interest me (as long as they avoided PC albums after Wind). PG seems to still have pretty much all his voice. Only question is would Phil's health allow him to play drums for 2 hours?

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Geff R. wrote:
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Man, before they up and die on us, the band needs to do a few select shows with Steve and Pete. My vision is them doing their catalog with a few songs with each of the old members.... and NO shows with the complete Lamb album.

Btw, I bought Tony's new classical solo disc. It's pretty good. Actually, better than his other classical outings

And WHY hasn't the rest of Tony's solo catalog been remastered as was said they would? The stuff on his solo box set was fantastic.


That would also interest me (as long as they avoided PC albums after Wind). PG seems to still have pretty much all his voice. Only question is would Phil's health allow him to play drums for 2 hours?


Phil can't play drums for 2 minutes, let alone 2 hours.

A reunion is highly unlikely for loads of reasons.

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Phil can't play drums for 2 minutes, let alone 2 hours.

A reunion is highly unlikely for loads of reasons.


From what I read, his recent solo outing where his son played drum was good. They say his kid (name escapes me. Simon?) sounds like Phil.


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Mark MN wrote:
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Phil can't play drums for 2 minutes, let alone 2 hours.

A reunion is highly unlikely for loads of reasons.


From what I read, his recent solo outing where his son played drum was good. They say his kid (name escapes me. Simon?) sounds like Phil.


His name is Nick and he's pretty good, especially at age 15 or whatever it is.

Seeing Phil hobbling around on a cane, I really wouldn't want that to be my image of Genesis.

I really believe they're done, but maybe a few shows someday.

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If I remember right, Phil had that cane after one of his surgeries. Not sure if he's still using it. One would have to dig into reviews of his recent solo shows.

It's sad. Two of my favorite drummers have been sidelined due to their profession, Phil and Peart. Neil's condition isn't near as bad as Phil's, but not good all the same.


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