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Federico
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:04 am |
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April 5, 2008 Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines By REUTERS Filed at 5:40 a.m. ET
NEW YORK (Billboard) - Harp magazine, which folded last month, is at least the third music magazine to cease publishing in 2008, joining alt-country title No Depression and indie rock mag Resonance in the dead pool.
For a certain section of the indie world focused on a more mature, college-educated demographic, the loss of Harp and No Depression hit especially hard.
"Those two outlets really spoke to our consumer," says John Biondolillo, general manager at Dave Matthews' ATO Records, which handles such critical darlings as singer/songwriters Patty Griffin and David Gray.
Josh Wittman, group marketing director at Redeye Distribution and Yep Roc Records, home of Dave Alvin and Billy Bragg, calls them "core publications for us, and it's very disappointing to see them go."
The closures of the two magazines might also reflect larger trends for indie labels promoting triple A and alt-country acts. "In the last 18 months, our focus has begun to shift away from print ads and towards online and TV advertising," Biondolillo says. Other labels have sought alternative print publications for advertising: Wittman says that Redeye and Yep Roc's full page ads will now appear in Filter magazine.
Still, some are taking this opportunity to question the value of print ads in general. Sean Hoess, co-founder of Velour Recordings, home of such artists as Kaki King and Sonya Kitchell, says, "When you look at the cost of print ads versus the cost of online ads, it's doubtful whether buying print ads will continue to make sense for indies. And with these two magazines folding, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one coming to this conclusion."
Many labels are taking their ad dollars to the Web. New West Records co-founder/president Cameron Strang says that in the past five years, "the Internet has become much more important for us. We now have staff members dedicated to growing our online presence, and the social networking sites and blogs are a big part of our outreach strategy." New West's acts include John Hiatt and Steve Earle.
Velour's Hoess says that his label also has an intensive online strategy, but that there are limits to the power of the Web for labels of his ilk. "We have the viral tools, the blog ads, all the online stuff," he says, "but there is no magic bullet. We have a very literate audience and they are not as zeroed in on the blog buzz as other crowds are."
"It's hard to see publications for the non-teen and twentysomething demographic go because they are the group that still buys physical CDs and keeps the record stores open," Wittman says. "They are not the people that are reading (music Web site) Stereogum all the time."
Labels are also ruing the demise of Harp's and No Depression's lengthy review sections, and seemed unsure about where to take their artists for coverage. "We're probably going to look at specialty folk magazines," Burnside Distribution VP Bill McNally says. Wittman says that he will still pursue pitching Rolling Stone and Spin, but, "it seems like everyone is cutting their CD review sections. It seems like a better strategy to target Amazon and All Music Guide because they have almost unlimited review space."
Rates can range based on a myriad of factors, but generally, "hip" indie sites charge between $1,200 and $3,300, while print publications like Harp and No Depression charged between $1,825 and $2,295 for a full-page color ad.
Triple A radio advertising is also not really a viable replacement for the magazines, according to McNally. "We haven't done much with radio advertising, as it's a big cost for a small spot. We possibly will do that more in the future with the absence of our favorite print mags. I haven't seen that it's increased sales dramatically, but probably increases awareness locally," he says.
With the online and radio world presenting a somewhat limited set of opportunities, some of the triple A and alt-country labels have turned to a more old-school avenue: cable TV. "We started doing it in the winter of 2006, around the time of the Patty Griffin release, and found that, per impression, it was cheaper than other outlets," ATO's Biondolillo says. "We run ads during 'The Daily Show,' 'The Colbert Report' and on Bravo and VH1 -- all shows and channels we think our core audience is watching.
"There are more and more TV outlets and fewer and fewer magazines," he continues. "If you have a good media buyer, it can work really well."
But even cable is not without its drawbacks. "We do TV ad buys in certain markets based on radio play and touring, and we've found that it is cheaper than print," Wittman says. "But the targeting is also less than focused, we're not in a place where we can afford prime-time slots, and there is a lot of saturation. TV is great, but you can't do it in a vacuum."
"All of this is really a symptom of a larger problem," Hoess says. "It's a lean time for everyone. Labels' revenues are drying up, and record sales are down, which leads to smaller ad budgets. For us, losing Harp and No Depression is the print equivalent of Tower Records closing -- we are an eclectic label, and we are losing coverage outlets."
Reuters/Billboard
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DanO
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:31 am |
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I'll be really angry if we lose the great UK mags (Mojo, Q, Uncut, Classic Rock, Record Collector etc).
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:35 pm |
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I wish Rolling Stone would fold.
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:59 pm |
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I subscribed to Down Beat for over 30 years and canceled this past year. The downward spiral began at least 10-15 years ago with the fashionable "world" music craze. The magazine focused on its flavor of the month types, with less and less on classic jazz, and even less on the historic perspective. And more and more "rock" types. Jazztimes is going the same way. Remember Musician? Used to be great - then it turned into a gearhead mag (don't know if it's still around). The Brits are doing the great music mags anymore.
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:37 am |
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it my just my own lowly opinion, but i foresee the end of ALL periodicals in the not-to-distant future.
most magazines report news that is a week old or more, and again the internet is the reason.
and, to top it off, i don't see daily newspapers as having very long to live either.
and when music (CD's or vinyl), magazines, and newspapers are all gone, think about how power the internet will have, and better yet, think about how much they will be able to charge for its usage.
just random thoughts on a sunday morning.
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Dr. Chris Evil
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:20 pm |
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Renny wrote: it my just my own lowly opinion, but i foresee the end of ALL periodicals in the not-to-distant future.
most magazines report news that is a week old or more, and again the internet is the reason.
and, to top it off, i don't see daily newspapers as having very long to live either.
and when music (CD's or vinyl), magazines, and newspapers are all gone, think about how power the internet will have, and better yet, think about how much they will be able to charge for its usage.
just random thoughts on a sunday morning.
renny Interesting thoughts, renny, but you're presuming that everyone has a computer and/or is on the internet. If publications do cease to exist, then non-computer users will have to rely on TV, where they can get their info in attention defecit-inducing sound bites. There's something to be said for the printed word.
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:55 pm |
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Anyone can go online from most public libraries for free, even if they don't own a computer or are homeless.  It's only a matter of time before we do away with printed newspapers and magazines, IMO.
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DanO
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:41 pm |
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I don't see how anyone would rather read off of a computer screen (or even a Kindle) than from a book or magazine. Isn't there something to be said for holding reading material in one's hands while in a recliner or lying in bed for instance?
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Jeff
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:02 pm |
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DanO wrote: Isn't there something to be said for holding reading material in one's hands while in a recliner or lying in bed for instance? Agree with books, but magazines or newspapers, that's what laptops are for. 
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Dr. Chris Evil
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:44 pm |
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DanO wrote: I don't see how anyone would rather read off of a computer screen (or even a Kindle) than from a book or magazine. Isn't there something to be said for holding reading material in one's hands while in a recliner or lying in bed for instance? I agree. I could never read a book on the computer, although some internet articles are so long, they might as well be books!
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:19 am |
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Although print may lack the "breaking news NOW!" immediacy that the Internet offers, it can offer an organized, in-depth look at the events once all the dust has settled and offer (hopefully) knowledgeable analysis.
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:51 am |
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Sorry to hear about the demise of Harp... yet another blow to fans of AAA and alt-country, as indicated in the article.
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:14 pm |
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I still require books, magazines and newspapers, because I haven't yet crossed the threshold of bringing the laptop into the library! (aka bathroom) 
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:58 pm |
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My local newspaper is starting to publish editorials on how their online readership is way up while printed circulation is shrinking & they're slowly downsizing the printed paper. They're a McLatchy paper (a huge chain).
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:20 am |
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Jeff wrote: Anyone can go online from most public libraries for free, even if they don't own a computer or are homeless.  It's only a matter of time before we do away with printed newspapers and magazines, IMO. You'd be surprised how many ppl I know, that dont have or want anything to do with a computer. Even ones that have to use them at work, and they certainly dont want to go to the library to access one... It's just an arrogant assumption nowadays that everyone must have one. I have a friend that goes ballistic everytime someone asks him for his Email address... Jeff
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:22 am |
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Music4Life wrote: Jeff wrote: You'd be surprised how many ppl I know, that dont have or want anything to do with a computer. Even ones that have to use them at work, and they certainly dont want to go to the library to access one...
It's just an arrogant assumption nowadays that everyone must have one. I have a friend that goes ballistic everytime someone asks him for his Email address...
Jeff I always use my parents as a yardstick for technological advances; they never did learn how to program a VCR to record something, but they recently went nuts when they figured out how to watch "Dancing With The Stars" in hi-def. My mom also recently bought my dad a laptop; he now actually seems interested in possibly using a computer to do something besides play solitaire It seems to me that about ten years ago, the people I knew who were intent on having the fastest, most up-to-date internet access for their personal, rather than professional use, did so with one intention in mind: to be able to access pornography. The ability to illegally download free music came in second--probably a distant second. I don't think the phrase "online social networking" was used for a few more years. Of course, this is all hazy reccollection on my part, but at the same time, ten years ago I was annoyed at the prospect of DVD's killing the laserdisc, and I took it for granted that the magazine rack at my local bookstore was my #1 free source for information on matters of current interest... I have no idea how technology will evolve in ten years, but I have a feeling I'll always have something on hand to entertain me in the meantime.
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Post subject: Record Labels Hit By Demise Of Music Magazines Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:24 pm |
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Jeff wrote: It's just an arrogant assumption nowadays that everyone must have one. Jeff I really agree with that statement.
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