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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:48 pm 
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Cain is a talented musician and songwriter, but he's always come off to me as an arrogant dick. He was in the right place at the right time when The Babys were touring with Journey in 1980 and just walked into a career and life changing opportunity.

I'm not saying Schon is easy to get along with, I'm sure, but at this point, Cain should just keep his politics and religion to himself, show up for work and collect his paycheck.

As for Rolie possibly returning? Who knows. I know the reason he left in 1980 was that he saw the handwriting on the wall with Perry, so maybe he'd be amenable to coming back.


I agree, Cain always came across as an ass, but I also agree with Renny that Schon is an ego-maniac.

The money keeps them going and not friendships.

They are a weird bunch.

I wonder how much Arnel can take.

Steve Smith is such a good guy, and I'm not surprised he's been quiet.


If Arnel is smart, he's squirreling away his money because you know when his voice goes, he'll be unceremoniously kicked to the curb like Augeri was.

As for Steve, this is just a gig for him and he's wise to stay out of it. He's maintained a friendship with Schon over the years, appearing on some of his solo albums and probably wants to maintain that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:58 pm 
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neal schon has been around, should tell us all something about him as far as loyalty of any kind goes:


Solo
Late Nite (1989)
Beyond the Thunder (1995)
Electric World (1997)
Piranha Blues (1999)
Voice (2001)
I on U (2005)
The Calling (2012)
So U (2014)
Vortex (2015)

with Santana

Santana III (1971)
Caravanserai (1972)
Santana IV (2016)

with Journey

Journey (1975)
Look into the Future (1976)
Next (1977)
Infinity (1978)
Evolution (1979)
Departure (1980)
Escape (1981)
Frontiers (1983)
Raised on Radio (1986)
Trial by Fire (1996)
Arrival (2001)
Generations (2005)
Revelation (2008)
Eclipse (2011)

with Jan Hammer
Untold Passion (1981)
Here to Stay (1982)

with HSAS
Through the Fire (1984)

with Bad English
Bad English (1989)
Backlash (1991)

with Hardline
Hot Cherie EP (1992)
Double Eclipse (1992)
Can't Find My Way EP (1992)
II (2002)

with Paul Rodgers
Muddy Water Blues: A Tribute to Muddy Waters (1993)
The Hendrix Set (1993)
Now
Paul Rodgers & Friends Live at Montreux 1994 (2011)

with Just If I
All One People (1995)

with Abraxas Pool
Abraxas Pool (1997)

with Soul SirkUS
World Play (2005)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:01 pm 
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have to say, never heard of HSAS (hagar, schon, aaronson, shrieve)

they had one album in 1984

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have to say, never heard of HSAS (hagar, schon, aaronson, shrieve)

they had one album in 1984


I really like that album. I thought it should have been a big hit, but it wasn't.

Too bad the follow up album with Sammy and Michael Anthony didn't happen.

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Renny wrote:
have to say, never heard of HSAS (hagar, schon, aaronson, shrieve)

they had one album in 1984


IIRC that grew out of a benefit show in the SF Bay Area. I was there in high school at the time and remember hearing about it,

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and you know what, if cain quits, schon will just replace him with a look-a-like and continue on as journey.

You up for this, Geff?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:55 pm 
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Linda wrote:
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and you know what, if cain quits, schon will just replace him with a look-a-like and continue on as journey.

You up for this, Geff?


I'm not a very good keyboard player, though in their prime I actually did play several Journey songs on keys; like most 80's the trick was programming the Roland Juno 60 or 106 (which everybody in 80's top 40/MTV used; & I mean EVERYBODY) to get the exact same sounds as the original recording & I was very good at that. So maybe.........!

I could sure use the big money!

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But can you pull off the facial hair and the outfits?

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But can you pull off the facial hair and the outfits?

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In my youth I would have kicked his butt in the "look" department!

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Renny wrote:
have to say, never heard of HSAS (hagar, schon, aaronson, shrieve)

they had one album in 1984


That album is ferocious Hard Rock.

It was recorded live and the audience was removed.

"Top of The Rock" was one of a few radio hits and it is killer.

The whole album is awesome and it did well narrowing missing the Top 40.

There was an MTV Concert from San Jose as well.

A perfect album for Rock Candy to remaster.

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Also a nice cover of "Whiter Shade Of Pale".


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Linda wrote:


Yeah, Linda!

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Just as long as Cain plays this Sunday's show. I'm good.


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I'm friends with Neal Schon on Facebook, and the nuttiness over the last two months confirms to me that Pineda, Cain and Valory will all be gone.

The tour just ended and Cain is under the spell of his religious nutjob who is also Trump's "spiritual adviser."

A visit to the White House by those three band members created a firestorm and there's no way it continues as is.

Neal clearly wants Gregg and Steve back in the band and I think Rollie would do it.

Perry?

I'd love it, but can he do it and would he even want to return to touring?

Smith likely stays and they could get anyone, even a return to Randy Jackson for bass.

Or, the group disbands, or those others form their own version or a band called Escape or whatever.

What a mess, and how very Rock and Roll!

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Oh no. :ohno: :ohno: The tour just ended and Cain is under the spell of his religious nutjob who is also Trump's "spiritual adviser." I am with Neal on this one, I quit too.

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Rick A wrote:
Oh no. :ohno: :ohno: The tour just ended and Cain is under the spell of his religious nutjob who is also Trump's "spiritual adviser." I am with Neal on this one, I quit too.


I am SO tempted.............. :twisted:

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Geff R. wrote:
Rick A wrote:
Oh no. :ohno: :ohno: The tour just ended and Cain is under the spell of his religious nutjob who is also Trump's "spiritual adviser." I am with Neal on this one, I quit too.


I am SO tempted.............. :twisted:



Watch out for the "Dream Police". :wink:

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I hadn't heard anything about this White House visit. So I did a quick internet search of "cain valory white house" and only got a couple hits about it pre-Schon blowup and those links all indicated "members of Journey" and not "Journey" was at the White House. Compare that to a ton of hits where Schon went off about it. Looked like a complete non-story until Schon made it into a story. I pretty much have gotten to the point where I dislike any politics in music because it's become so incredibly dividing and destructive (way worse than religion these days IMO), but on the other hand Schon is a complete jackass to bash the other band members for what they are doing on their own time. What if Cain is strongly against smoking dope, Schon is spotted at a "legalize it" rally and there are a couple minor stories about it and then the rest of the band blows up and threatens to try and force Schon out because the band is not about endorsing marijuana use? All a bunch of foolishness.

It would be very interesting to find out what the band name ownership is these days. Wouldn't surprise me if Valory, Smith, Pineda are hired hands but I would be very surprised if Cain does not own a fairly large percentage of the group's name. And then it gets into the ownership of the band's name versus the ownership of the corporation which are often different. Like with Yes and Jon Anderson, at the time of Chris Squire's death Anderson had no part of the ownership of the Yes corporation but was still and equal partner in the ownership of the band name (with Squire and Alan White) which is why Jon is legally able to currently tour using the Yes name.


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 Post subject: Journey
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:27 am 
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I see Smith staying on, as he has stayed out of the fray. Smart guy. Rolie could potentially return, but like Pete said, can Perry do it anymore and would he even want to return to touring. I suspect not. He seems to be content being out of the public eye.

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JosephC wrote:
I pretty much have gotten to the point where I dislike any politics in music because it's become so incredibly dividing and destructive (way worse than religion these days IMO)......


What Joseph said. I'm a freakin' HUGE political junkie and I f'ing hate it when bands/singers inject their politics or social views on us listeners. I don't give a shit if it's a band I like either.


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JosephC wrote:
I hadn't heard anything about this White House visit. So I did a quick internet search of "cain valory white house" and only got a couple hits about it pre-Schon blowup and those links all indicated "members of Journey" and not "Journey" was at the White House. Compare that to a ton of hits where Schon went off about it. Looked like a complete non-story until Schon made it into a story. I pretty much have gotten to the point where I dislike any politics in music because it's become so incredibly dividing and destructive (way worse than religion these days IMO), but on the other hand Schon is a complete jackass to bash the other band members for what they are doing on their own time. What if Cain is strongly against smoking dope, Schon is spotted at a "legalize it" rally and there are a couple minor stories about it and then the rest of the band blows up and threatens to try and force Schon out because the band is not about endorsing marijuana use? All a bunch of foolishness.

It would be very interesting to find out what the band name ownership is these days. Wouldn't surprise me if Valory, Smith, Pineda are hired hands but I would be very surprised if Cain does not own a fairly large percentage of the group's name. And then it gets into the ownership of the band's name versus the ownership of the corporation which are often different. Like with Yes and Jon Anderson, at the time of Chris Squire's death Anderson had no part of the ownership of the Yes corporation but was still and equal partner in the ownership of the band name (with Squire and Alan White) which is why Jon is legally able to currently tour using the Yes name.


Schon posted something from the White House that said Journey and not members of Journey, so I do sympathize with him.

He is going off the rails on this, so it obviously cuts deeper than just politics.

Make no mistake, it is that Yoko that is Cain's batshit wife (his 3rd I believe) that is the root of the evil.

I'm not sure why Cain would have a huge stake seeing he joined in late 1980, but maybe there were new agreements written up when the band reformed in 1995 or after Perry left in 1998.

I have never liked Cain as a player or writer, and he took Journey to the land of cheese.

Rollie would be such an awesome choice.

Neal did say Jonathan did not want Rollie at the reunion and that Neal had to fight for his inclusion.

That I believe.

Ditch 'em all but Smith.

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