If they fired Deen and brought back Steve Smith (or Aynsley Dunbar, or, brain exploding, Prairie Prince) would that make it legitimately Journey in your eyes? Or did Journey die when Gregg Rolie left?
journey, the band that became famous and sold billions of records worldwide, died when steve perry left.
I think they died when he joined.
They certainly changed 100% be it good or bad!
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If they fired Deen and brought back Steve Smith (or Aynsley Dunbar, or, brain exploding, Prairie Prince) would that make it legitimately Journey in your eyes? Or did Journey die when Gregg Rolie left?
journey, the band that became famous and sold billions of records worldwide, died when steve perry left.
I sort of agree with that - they had a different sound with Steve Augieri. But since replacing him with Arnel, they sound almost indistinguishable from the Escape/Frontiers/Trial lineup.
And honestly, their sound changed much more when Gregg Rolie quit, and again when Ross Valory was kicked out. The difference between Steve and Arnel is minuscule compared to the difference between Rolie and Cain, Or Valory and Jackson.
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it can be discussed endlessly about the different configurations of journey and how each change affected the music, and the band on the whole, but....the bottom line line is this:
if you are truly honest with yourself, journey became journey because of steve perry's voice and songwriting (albeit with others or by himself) and it is very hard to ague that point.
when perry joined the band it skyrocketed, and it orbited until the day he left. and when he left, it fell out of orbit. there is no other way to put it.
and the abomination in sales of that disgusting wal-mart exclusive (and i'm betting the wal-mart clientele wasn't real aware that perry was gone and the soundalike definitely fooled em because i actually had peole ask me if heard the new journey album yet) and the skewed numbers it produced should never be used as in indication of the real journey's sales. that album was the beginning of the scam, very few knew perry was gone on that one and wal-mart surely didn't market it as journey "with their new lead singer".
and my disdain for schon and cain stems from the notion that they tried to sell it as the same band, and, as i said above (and everyone really knows in their hearts) without perry it just isn't the same.
just call it "the schon/cain band": bill it as playing the songs made famous by journey, and i have no problem with it.
but then schon would be driving a cadillac instead of a ferrari.
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and the abomination in sales of that disgusting wal-mart exclusive (and i'm betting the wal-mart clientele wasn't real aware that perry was gone and the soundalike definitely fooled em because i actually had peole ask me if heard the new journey album yet) and the skewed numbers it produced should never be used as in indication of the real journey's sales. that album was the beginning of the scam, very few knew perry was gone on that one and wal-mart surely didn't market it as journey "with their new lead singer".
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and my disdain for schon and cain stems from the notion that they tried to sell it as the same band, and, as i said above (and everyone really knows in their hearts) without perry it just isn't the same.
But wait, you just said that for the vast unwashed masses who bought the Wal-Mart album, that it WAS the same and they couldn't tell the difference.
If popularity and sales are your barometer, then Journey with Arnel is legit. Revelation charted higher than any of the Gregg Rolie albums.
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it can be discussed endlessly about the different configurations of journey and how each change affected the music, and the band on the whole, but....the bottom line line is this:
if you are truly honest with yourself, journey became journey because of steve perry's voice and songwriting (albeit with others or by himself) and it is very hard to ague that point.
I'd amend that slightly - Jouney became JOURNEY with Steve Perry. And while they sold a ton more records and were way more popular when they were JOURNEY, there were definitely some Journey fans who felt Journey ended when Perry joined.
I think at this point, Journey's essentially been three or four different bands.
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it can be discussed endlessly about the different configurations of journey and how each change affected the music, and the band on the whole, but....the bottom line line is this:
if you are truly honest with yourself, journey became journey because of steve perry's voice and songwriting (albeit with others or by himself) and it is very hard to ague that point.
I'd amend that slightly - Jouney became JOURNEY with Steve Perry. And while they sold a ton more records and were way more popular when they were JOURNEY, there were definitely some Journey fans who felt Journey ended when Perry joined.
I think at this point, Journey's essentially been three or four different bands.
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it can be discussed endlessly about the different configurations of journey and how each change affected the music, and the band on the whole, but....the bottom line line is this:
if you are truly honest with yourself, journey became journey because of steve perry's voice and songwriting (albeit with others or by himself) and it is very hard to ague that point.
I'd amend that slightly - Jouney became JOURNEY with Steve Perry. And while they sold a ton more records and were way more popular when they were JOURNEY, there were definitely some Journey fans who felt Journey ended when Perry joined.
I think at this point, Journey's essentially been three or four different bands.
but only the first 2 should have been called journey.......
the ones post-perry - juorney II or new-journey or the schon-cain band
_________________ Speak Out! You've got to speak out against he madness, that is if you still can, and you still dare"
it can be discussed endlessly about the different configurations of journey and how each change affected the music, and the band on the whole, but....the bottom line line is this:
if you are truly honest with yourself, journey became journey because of steve perry's voice and songwriting (albeit with others or by himself) and it is very hard to ague that point.
when perry joined the band it skyrocketed, and it orbited until the day he left. and when he left, it fell out of orbit. there is no other way to put it.
and the abomination in sales of that disgusting wal-mart exclusive (and i'm betting the wal-mart clientele wasn't real aware that perry was gone and the soundalike definitely fooled em because i actually had peole ask me if heard the new journey album yet) and the skewed numbers it produced should never be used as in indication of the real journey's sales. that album was the beginning of the scam, very few knew perry was gone on that one and wal-mart surely didn't market it as journey "with their new lead singer".
and my disdain for schon and cain stems from the notion that they tried to sell it as the same band, and, as i said above (and everyone really knows in their hearts) without perry it just isn't the same.
just call it "the schon/cain band": bill it as playing the songs made famous by journey, and i have no problem with it.
but then schon would be driving a cadillac instead of a ferrari.
An abomination in sales?
The album went Platinum. Same as Trial By Fire by the way which also wasn't a very good album.
And if that was a scam why did Arrival and Generations come nowhere near those sales? Was Wal-Mart deceiving people at the door? "Come, buy the new Journey album-we guarantee it has Steve Perry on it. Or does it? Only you can truly know if you buy it"...
A scam? few knew who the singer was?
So when they went on OPRAH a month before the album was released which is only the biggest daytime talk show ever nobody knew?
Wow-what a scam.
Brilliant.
Also, I always loved the Fusion era Journey far more than when Perry joined.
I like the Perry-era to a degree but it's watered down.
Augeri-era was good live, but lame albums (which would've been lame with Perry too).
Pineda-era has been a carryover from the Perry era and I like it enough.
It's all been a journey to be a Journey fan.
And why the anger? You seem like a good guy and I know this is all hostility towards Schon and Cain who indeed are egomaniacs.
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Time to ditch Deen's ass, kick him (hard) to the curb and bring back Steve Smith...
Journey Recruit Omar Hakim for Summer Tour Following Drummer’s Arrest By Dave Lifton June 18, 2015
For their next few concerts and their summer tour of Canada, Omar Hakim (pictured above with Neal Schon) will replace Deen Castronovo as Journey‘s drummer. The change was made due to Castronovo’s arrest Sunday (June 14) on charges of domestic violence.
Journey released a statement that reads, “Journey has made the decision to have Omar Hakim play drums for the band’s upcoming U.S. concerts (Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, June 20 and the Stadium of Fire in Provo, Utah on Saturday, July 4), as well as the band’s Canadian tour (July 6 – August 3), due to Deen Castronovo’s pending issues.”
According to the Statesman Journal of Salem, Ore., Castronovo was charged with fourth-degree assault and ordered not to have any contact with the victim. He was released after posting $20,000 bail. The plea hearing is set for June 30.
Three years ago, Castronovo was brought up on similar charges following a dispute with his girlfriend that turned physical. He was sentenced to 80 hours of community service and mandatory attendance of anger management classes.
Castronovo joined Journey in 1998 following the departure of Steve Smith. Prior to that he had worked with Ozzy Osbourne and been a member of Bad English.
A jazz drummer, Hakim is best know to rock fans for his work on David Bowie‘s Let’s Dance, Sting‘s The Dream of the Blue Turtles and Dire Straits‘ blockbuster Brothers in Arms. He also spent several years as a member of the fusion group Weather Report and worked with Miles Davis.
I think I would only be truly pissed off if i bought the cd under false pretenses. Then I'd be opissed.
I learned that about classic rock concerts 10-15 years ago: before buying tickets call &/or read first to find out which original members are left. I've had some BAD experiences.
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Time to ditch Deen's ass, kick him (hard) to the curb and bring back Steve Smith...
Journey Recruit Omar Hakim for Summer Tour Following Drummer’s Arrest By Dave Lifton June 18, 2015
For their next few concerts and their summer tour of Canada, Omar Hakim (pictured above with Neal Schon) will replace Deen Castronovo as Journey‘s drummer. The change was made due to Castronovo’s arrest Sunday (June 14) on charges of domestic violence.
Journey released a statement that reads, “Journey has made the decision to have Omar Hakim play drums for the band’s upcoming U.S. concerts (Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, June 20 and the Stadium of Fire in Provo, Utah on Saturday, July 4), as well as the band’s Canadian tour (July 6 – August 3), due to Deen Castronovo’s pending issues.”
According to the Statesman Journal of Salem, Ore., Castronovo was charged with fourth-degree assault and ordered not to have any contact with the victim. He was released after posting $20,000 bail. The plea hearing is set for June 30.
Three years ago, Castronovo was brought up on similar charges following a dispute with his girlfriend that turned physical. He was sentenced to 80 hours of community service and mandatory attendance of anger management classes.
Castronovo joined Journey in 1998 following the departure of Steve Smith. Prior to that he had worked with Ozzy Osbourne and been a member of Bad English.
A jazz drummer, Hakim is best know to rock fans for his work on David Bowie‘s Let’s Dance, Sting‘s The Dream of the Blue Turtles and Dire Straits‘ blockbuster Brothers in Arms. He also spent several years as a member of the fusion group Weather Report and worked with Miles Davis.
Time to ditch Deen's ass, kick him (hard) to the curb and bring back Steve Smith...
Journey Recruit Omar Hakim for Summer Tour Following Drummer’s Arrest By Dave Lifton June 18, 2015
For their next few concerts and their summer tour of Canada, Omar Hakim (pictured above with Neal Schon) will replace Deen Castronovo as Journey‘s drummer. The change was made due to Castronovo’s arrest Sunday (June 14) on charges of domestic violence.
Journey released a statement that reads, “Journey has made the decision to have Omar Hakim play drums for the band’s upcoming U.S. concerts (Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, June 20 and the Stadium of Fire in Provo, Utah on Saturday, July 4), as well as the band’s Canadian tour (July 6 – August 3), due to Deen Castronovo’s pending issues.”
According to the Statesman Journal of Salem, Ore., Castronovo was charged with fourth-degree assault and ordered not to have any contact with the victim. He was released after posting $20,000 bail. The plea hearing is set for June 30.
Three years ago, Castronovo was brought up on similar charges following a dispute with his girlfriend that turned physical. He was sentenced to 80 hours of community service and mandatory attendance of anger management classes.
Castronovo joined Journey in 1998 following the departure of Steve Smith. Prior to that he had worked with Ozzy Osbourne and been a member of Bad English.
A jazz drummer, Hakim is best know to rock fans for his work on David Bowie‘s Let’s Dance, Sting‘s The Dream of the Blue Turtles and Dire Straits‘ blockbuster Brothers in Arms. He also spent several years as a member of the fusion group Weather Report and worked with Miles Davis.
I've seen Omar Hakim play many times with Sting and he is the real deal, maybe too good for the present Journey actually.
Hakim is frickin' awesome.
He'd be perfect for Journey to play stuff from the first 3 albums.
Steve Smith was a Jazz drummer so this makes sense.
I saw Journey play songs from those albums shockingly, in 2005 and it was awesome though they completely lost the crowd on "Kohoutek" and "Nickle and Dime" and stuff like that. Of course, we were totally into it. Great, great concert.
Either way, Journey made a great choice and Hakim becomes the second African-American to play with the band after...Randy Jackson!
And, like the NFL, there should be ZERO tolerance for a shitbag like Castronovo.
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I think I would only be truly pissed off if i bought the cd under false pretenses. Then I'd be opissed.
I learned that about classic rock concerts 10-15 years ago: before buying tickets call &/or read first to find out which original members are left. I've had some BAD experiences.
You'd deserve everything if you got if you had no idea who was in the band if you're buying CDs or tickets.
Not that hard to go on this thing called the internet and see who is in the band.
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Disagree; as many of the Dinosaur bands change members frequently & DO NOT publicize it.
It only happened to me in the pre-net days (Foghat & The Tubes were the worst offenders that I remember), but I can easily see it happening now.
A few years ago, a friend of mine was gushing over a Nazareth concert she went to and how great it was. I knew for a fact that they weren't touring at the time. Surprise! It was Manny Charleton's band using the moniker. Once I got it through her head that she got duped, she was pissed. She said Manny's singer sounded so much like McCafferty.
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