Not to mention, his pipes aren't near what they used to be. I doubt he could pull it off. I think he'd be hammered almost as bad as D.L. Roth was.

I like Arnel. He sounds close enough.

Agreed.

Perry has been done and he knew it.

He is a legend and that's secure.

The band existed before him and exists after him.

Not a big deal.

Obviously fans know it and still fill venues to see the band play every night.

Nobody is being duped or fleeced-they love the music and Arnel is very good.

You also have 4/5 of the classic lineup for Christ's sake.

What's wrong with that?

Would anyone understand if I simply typed one word..................... "Walmart"?

I like Walmart. But then, I'm deplorable.

Not sure what you're getting at, but Bob Seger, Kiss, Bruce Springsteen, Foreigner and many others do.

not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, but i think the inflated and most likely bogus wal-mart sales figures for the journey album sold 'exclusively' there is what is being discussed.

and i have to ask, if the fans know its not perry, and they NEVER play one single song off any non-perry albums, why do they still call themselves journey and why do they charge for tix like perry is still the singer.

i think i will do a poll.

I'm sure the band went with the Walmart deal because it was financially lucrative to do so.

As to why they call themselves Journey, Schon & Cain own the rights to the name and as an artistic and business enterprise they are legally entitled to use the name. Obviously since they've been doing so for years now with Arnel the fans are aware and still buying tickets, so they charge what people are willing to pay. I'm sure they're crying themselves to sleep every night over your disapproval.

I think every single band without a complete, original lineup should disband.

If not, all tickets for shows and albums should be sold for free.

Also, complete bogus lies that Journey NEVER play songs from the non-Journey albums.

Hell, I saw them play stuff from the 1st three albums when Augeri was there.

I've seen them play songs from the Augeri and Pineda albums.

Now let's ask ourselves an easy question...WHY THE HELL WOULD ANY BAND ON A CO-HEADLINING "HITS" TOUR PLAY NEW OR RECENT SONGS????

Fuck, if Perry was still here do you really think they'd be playing new songs?

Absolutely not.

Every sale for Journey was bogus since Perry left-we now have proof of that.

I can rest easy.

Rick A.

oh i wholeheartedly disagree IP, if journey recorded a new album with steve perry i would bet just about everything i own that they would play at least half of the new songs in concert, if not more.

journey set list:

nov 18 in cal. and nov19 in ariz

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Be Good to Yourself

Only the Young

Neal Schon Guitar Solo

Stone in Love

Any Way You Want It

Lights

Jonathan Cain Piano Solo

Open Arms

Who's Crying Now

Chain Reaction

La Do Da

Steve Smith Drum Solo

sept 4 in SF:

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Be Good to Yourself

Only the Young

The Star-Spangled Banner


Stone in Love

Any Way You Want It

Lights

Jonathan Cain Piano Solo

Open Arms

Who's Crying Now

Escape

La Do Da

Steve Smith Drum Solo

Neal Schon Guitar Solo

Wheel in the Sky

Faithfully

Don't Stop Believin'

Encore:
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'

aug 25 in wash.


Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Be Good to Yourself

Only the Young

The Star-Spangled Banner


Stone in Love

Any Way You Want It

Lights

Jonathan Cain Piano Solo

Open Arms

Who's Crying Now
Play Video
Escape

La Do Da
(Steve Smith drum solo)

Neal Schon Guitar Solo

Wheel in the Sky

Faithfully

Don't Stop Believin'

Encore:
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'


june 29 in ohio:

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Be Good to Yourself

Only the Young

Guitar Solo


Any Way You Want It

Line of Fire

Lights

Piano Solo

Open Arms

Who's Crying Now

Escape

La Do Da
(With drum solo)

Dead or Alive

Guitar Solo

Wheel in the Sky

Faithfully

Don't Stop Believin'

Encore:
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'

i know we disagree about this, seriously...................................................and you can keep going back back and i did, and i couldn't find one single set list with a non-perry song on it.

here is july 30 of 2015 in montreal:


Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Be Good to Yourself

Only the Young

Guitar Solo

Stone in Love

Any Way You Want It

Line of Fire

Lights

Piano Solo

Open Arms

Who's Crying Now

Escape

La Do Da
(With drum solo)

Dead or Alive

Guitar Solo

Wheel in the Sky

Faithfully

Don't Stop Believin'

Encore:
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'


i found one:

aug 29 2014 they played 'faith in the heartland:in atlantic city


Be Good to Yourself

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)

Any Way You Want It

Only the Young

The Star-Spangled Banner


Stone in Love

Mother, Father

Faith in the Heartland

Lights

Piano Solo

Open Arms

Escape

Ritual

Guitar Solo

Wheel in the Sky

Faithfully

Don't Stop Believin'

Encore:
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'

The only comment I will make here is that I would like to see some more newer tracks which are really good BUT paying fans prefer the stuff that they were much more familiar.

Rick A.

To be honest, imo Journey's songwriting had already gone way down even before Perry left. Last Journey album I enjoy is Frontiers. Raised had 2 good songs on it.

I would be perfectly happy with just owning Captured, Dream After Dream & the original best of.

I do also own Escape & the box.

Well, the Eagles were Henley and Frey. I disapproved of how they did Don Felder. But it is what it is (was). They continued to play the old songs that Felder either played on or wrote. One could go further in the debate with Meisner and Leadon. People still paid to see them. Many people aren't that into who's in the band and not. To many, it was the Eagles. Two original members at the end. With Journey, most of the classic lineujp is there. But then again, the classic lineup is up for debate. I prefer the Cain era over the Rolie era. That's not a diss on Gregg. It's all down to the tunes created and what sounds good to my ears.

In the end, I'm happy that Journey still exists. The discs they've done with Arnel aren't bad. Personally, I really liked the first two (excluding the e.p.) they did with Augerie.

I hear you on the Eagles. As much as I like Joe Walsh with both the James Gang & as a solo; for me the Eagles weren't all that great as an arena rock band (& "New Kid In Town" is AWFUL.

I like all the Eagles personally. I know I must be wishy-washy, but the pre-Walsh era was just as good as the post-Meisner/Leadon era. It was just two different styles. Same goes for Genesis. Some people HATE the post-Gabriel/Hackett era. I like everything, but prefer the 1976-1983 era best.

And then.... I like Paula Abdul, too.

Many bands try not to stay stuck in one style of music. The only ones it seemed to work for was AC/DC and Slayer.

I don't know, I just love music, and if it's good I don't give a shit who plays it or sings it.

Rainbow are one of my favorite bands ever and some only prefer the Dio era, where others only like the Turner era.

I love it all including the Bonnet era and Doogie White.

Ronnie Romero the new singer is simply awesome.

Rainbow IS Ritchie Blackmore and I know he's hit a home run every time with the singers he chooses and they are all no-names when he finds them.

I love each era of Floyd, Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, Sabbath, Yes, etc.

Think about Fleetwood Mac.

What if they broke up after Peter Green left? He was the leader, the man, the Mr. Everything.

And look what happened.

As for Journey, without a doubt the Perry era was wonderful, but I discovered the band when they were doing Hard Rock/Jazz Fusion and I still dig that stuff.

Even with Perry the last few albums were mediocre at best.

Augeri was very good and Arrival was a good album with too many ballads which also afflicted Perry's last album Trial By Fire.

Generations sucked IMO.

But then came Pineda and Revelation is a great Journey album and easily better than Frontiers, Raised On Radio or Trail By Fire.

Eclipse was progressive and heavy but I didn't care for it.

I saw the Eclipse tour and they played plenty of new songs.

Why should a group disband because one guy leaves?

If it sucked, the fans would say so believe me.

It's been 9 years this month since Pineda joined and it's not even an issue.

I agree re the early albums, I also somewhat like the pre-Perry. I also think their are numerous artists who both played & wrote much better songs in a similar style.

I have several problems with the current band & their marketing:

1. The songwriting is mediocre (& that started before Perry left). I assume Caine lost his touch when his hormones dropped. No sarcasm; that's very common in R&R. My Walmart comment was because I see the current band reaching out to lowest common denominator music appreciation (The same folks who buy country) & owest common denominator. marketing. (Welcome to 2016 USA & Asia) My mistake apparently was expecting others to understand what I was trying to say in a smart assed manner.

IMO DP Now is a really abnormal album. I agree with your previous posts that it's a great record; despite Gillan having lost most of his range; Morse being a competent guitarist who ain't no Richie Blackmore (for that matter he ain't no Tommy Bolin either), Lord's passing & Paice's health issues. That would normally produce a piece of poop; instead it produced their best record since the 1st with Morse.

2. Journey is not being real honest with the marketing.

3. Perry is technically one of the top male R&R singers ever. He should be in any real R&R HOF. I used to play top 40 for a living. I never worked with a male singer who could cover him. We always had to have a Woman sing his stuff.

All that said, I don't own any of SP's solo albums. I don't like them.

Have you heard the LIVE Santana 4 cd or blu-ray? That's miles beyond today's Journey; & features Rolie & Schon. Why is the live album so much better then the sudio? IMO:

A. The old Santana songs are better written then Santana's writing of the last 20-30 years.
B. The absence of guest vocalists; Rollie is a much better singer then Ronald Isley & friends.

If I want to hear Journey, I will get the most enjoyment out of Greatest Hits & Captured. They WERE one of the best at what they did for a very brief period. There is so much GREAT music out there; that I rarely have time for ok- good music. And that mostly only happens when I listen to some new music, as I have no way to know if it's great or not until I hear it.

I'm Done.

my problems with the schon-cain band (i.e. journey) stem form the fact that don't play the new songs in concert, they have released 3 albums and an EP since perry left, ( over 30+ songs) if they did half or more of their live shows with this material i would give them a whole lot more credit than what i do now. probably why i use the word 'fleece", and IP is right, i think, at least i hope, most journey fans know perry is long gone by now so when they pay $50+ for ticket they should know what they are getting.

it's like the who doing show after show and not playing a single song off of 'endless wire". i know it was bad, obviously they know it was bad, but at least one or two songs to try and sell it.

Geff:

I'll be honest.

I stopped reading after you called Steve Morse a "competent guitarist".

You have to be kidding me.

Steve Morse is an Exceptional guitar player .Maybe Geff meant "competent guitarist" in regards to playing Purple material?.

Rick A.

The Dixie Dregs were technically very good, but Morse's playing & songwriting tends to bore me.

Technique is only half of being a great player.

In the classical music world, pianist Mitsuko Uchida is a great example; she's considered technically very good, & her lack of feeling bores the hell out of me (& a # of others). The controversy & split often takes on the same intensity as the Journey silliness here.

I guess my bottom line is if an older artist is still making quality music, that's great & I may stay with them; if they're not I'm going to listen to only the stuff i like. Several examples of artists missing original members I still like would include Wishbone Ash (2 versions, each with 1 original), The Tubes (4 originals left), King Crimson (Robert Fripp is usually the only original left), as I stated aboove I really like Deep Purple Now & Purpendicular & some of the Morse Purple live albums are pretty good (again the best work was by far the original Mark 2), & I still like the current Thin Lizzy's live albums, though it was very much Phil Lynott's band.

I've even largely given up on Stephen Stills!

On the other hand, I don't like today's 38 Special, Yes, Journey or Styx. I'll never dislike Blue Oyster Cult as long as Buck or Eric is involved; but they're still not half the band they were in the early-mid 70's.