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 Post subject: NFL Football 2023-24
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:30 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:44 pm 
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I thought this was very interestng -- various metrics associated with win rates. For example, offenses who don't turn the ball over win 76% of the time. Defenses who get three takeaways win 80% of the time. The team who scores more points in the first quarter wins 70% of the time.

What's most interesting to me is the 15 point threshold. Teams who score 15 or more points win 63% of the time. Defenses who allow less than 15 points win 89% of the time.

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 Post subject: NFL Football 2023-24
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:29 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Out of curiosity, is there anything in between "very good" or "total garbage" for NFL players?

Brock Purdy isn't Patrick Mahomes but he's definitely not "awful", especially considering where he is in his career. The guy has literally started 16 regular season games and 19 games overall. Everyone likes to say it's all Kyle Shanahan's scheme but we've seen other QBs play in that scheme and very few have had the success he has. The Niners spent three picks to get Trey Lance and he totally washed out in that system.

Absolutely there is - you can hear average, decent, okay, RB2/ WR2, periodic contributor - terms like that - applied to many many players across the league, and there's no issue with them.

Except it doesn't apply to the QB position. QB's get their own special system. Something like:
Elite (can single handedly win you a Super Bowl - 2-3 QB's (Mahomes, Rogers, Burrow)
Very good (can lead your team to a Super Bowl) - 3-4 QB's (Hurts, Allen, Tua?)
Good (can get you to a Super Bowl with help) - 2-3 QB's (Purdee, Lawrence, Jackson, Stafford)
Manager (you can win a Super Bowl with an all world defense) 2-3 QB's (Goff, Carr)

Average Line ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Average Line

Not good enough (Can't get to a Super Bowl with him, but can get you to the playoffs) 4-5 QB's (Dak, Cousins, Tannehill, Geno)
Trash (can't make the playoffs) - 10-12 QB's (everyone else)

so if an Average QB is the 15-17th best QB in the league, depending on the stats you choose, Purdee is average. But the reality is if you don't have an all world defense, you have to have a top 10 QB, and if you don't, you should keep looking. And I'm not sure Purdee is.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:36 pm 
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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
I thought this was very interestng -- various metrics associated with win rates. For example, offenses who don't turn the ball over win 76% of the time. Defenses who get three takeaways win 80% of the time. The team who scores more points in the first quarter wins 70% of the time.

What's most interesting to me is the 15 point threshold. Teams who score 15 or more points win 63% of the time. Defenses who allow less than 15 points win 89% of the time.

The big thing that jumps out at me at that is that if 63% of the time, scoring 15 points is enough to win, that means the break even point (50.1% win rate) has to be somewhere around 13 points. Amazing to me that you still have a better than average chance to win with that few points

I also still like than 100 yards rushing >>> 300 yards passing. 20% diff if it's 1 rusher, but still 10%+ if it's just rushing yards. Tells you people should still be running more than they should. To much passing volume is garbage time from behind.

and the other one? A pick 6 is a brutal. a Killer play, where without any other context, you get a Int return for a TD, and you win 77.6% of the time. That's just massive for one type of play.


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 Post subject: NFL Football 2023-24
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:19 pm 
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I also still like than 100 yards rushing >>> 300 yards passing. 20% diff if it's 1 rusher, but still 10%+ if it's just rushing yards. Tells you people should still be running more than they should. To much passing volume is garbage time from behind.

Well, that's an interesting one that doesn't take context into account -- are those teams winning because they're running the football a lot? Or have those teams already built a big lead and they're running the football more to burn clock? I've read articles that say it's the latter. Teams who are ahead run the ball more and teams who are behind are passing more to score more quickly and preserve as much clock as possible.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:33 pm 
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It took me a while but here it is... the site is no longer active because the parent company went under, but thankfully the Wayback Machine archives this stuff...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:52 pm 
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Renny wrote:
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deshaun watson..........hurt again.

230 million......guaranteed.

That’s more money than you and I make combined!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:56 am 
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I didn't realize Cousins was so beloved in the locker room.

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It's a shame, especially so since he was having a great year. On the bright side, sports medicine has come such a long way that it's not a career ender anymore. Rodgers is already running and throwing, and in the NBA KD came back and was still elite (although his was a more "normal" recovery time). Just 15 years ago that would have been incredibly unlikely.


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Yeah, absolutely. I don't think his career is over, but maybe they're upset because they realize his career is possibly (probably?) over in Minnesota.

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The Commanders lost, but it's weird Sam Howell somehow plays well against a great defense for Philly but then plays shitty against shitty defenses.

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Kirk's in the last year of his contract. He'll be gone next season unless he takes a huge pay cut.

Nobody can say how our backup is going to be, good or bad.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:59 pm 
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Eagles are 7-1 and not many people are talking about them.

Then again, the D has been brutal and Desai is way out of his element as the new coordinator.

There are injuries and I 100% knew that the loss of personnel on the field and on the coaching staff would be rough.

Hurts is injured and still putting up killer numbers, so maybe they can with no D.

Big game with Dallas this week and I’m thinking they take this one on the chin (hopefully not).

I’ll still take 7-1.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:07 pm 
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chase young to the 49er's for a third round pick..................bosa and young...................wow!

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Eagles are 7-1 and not many people are talking about them.

Then again, the D has been brutal and Desai is way out of his element as the new coordinator.

There are injuries and I 100% knew that the loss of personnel on the field and on the coaching staff would be rough.

Hurts is injured and still putting up killer numbers, so maybe they can with no D.

Big game with Dallas this week and I’m thinking they take this one on the chin (hopefully not).

I’ll still take 7-1.

Yeah. 7-1 is 7-1.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:34 pm 
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Now that was wild!

A little too wild.

The Eagles’ secondary is just ravaged with injuries, inconsistency, ineptitude and ill-timed penalties (I used a lot of “I” words).

And yet, they pulled off a huge win over Dallas 28-23.

Hurts is clearly injured and hobbled but still had 3 TDs.

AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith both had TD catches again, but the running game hasn’t been very good.

But the team makes big plays every game aside from that Jets travesty.

8-1, baby!

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Bad weekend for Seattle defenses. Seahawks get embarrassed by the Ravens 37-3, the Kraken take a 2-1 lead and then lose to a 2 win Calgary 6-3, and the Huskies manage to win, but let USC score 42 points.

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penalties, penalties, penalties and more penalties.

it is really really starting to get very old

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penalties, penalties, penalties and more penalties.

it is really really starting to get very old

I have been wondering if the rules and the ways possible to play a contact sport just don't align.

I don't watch any other sports -- are this many penalties per game common in basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc.?

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Fouls in the NBA are ridiculous at times, yes. I don't watch any other leagues (MLB doesn't apply, they don't have penalties; they just have terrible umpires who should lose their jobs like Angel Hernandez. :lol:)


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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Renny wrote:
penalties, penalties, penalties and more penalties.

it is really really starting to get very old

I have been wondering if the rules and the ways possible to play a contact sport just don't align.

I don't watch any other sports -- are this many penalties per game common in basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc.?

At about 15 flags per game, it's worse than the NHL (at about 8 per game), and better than the NBA (which is about 20 fouls / game)
Baseball doesn't really have penalties, although if you lumped errors, balks, wild pitches, passed balls, and pitch clock violations, you'd probably get up to 7-8 per game for both teams

the bigger problem is the relatively large impact of defensive penalties.

In the NBA, unless a guy fouls out of the game (6 fouls), or there is a big paint mismatch on a good free throw shooting team versus a bad one, they tend to offset, although I have seen games where one team out scores the other at the FT line by 20 points, it's rare, and not really about the whistle.
The NHL is within half a penalty per team per game, which means at least the power play opportunities offset, and so penalties really don't matter.

But in the NFL, even though the penalties between teams even out at about 7.5 +/- 1, there is a disproportionate impact between offensive penalties and defensive penalties. Think about how many defensive penalties come with an automatic first down to keep a drive going, when only 1 offensive penalty - grounding - comes with a loss of down. The only offensive penalty that I think of as a drive killer is holding on second down. Everything else is no big deal.

On one hand, I understand the logic of illegal contact / holding preventing a wide receiver from catching the ball, and you don't know what he'd do with it to get a first down. But on the other hand, offensive holding often is done to prevent a sack, and therefore would be a loss of down. Since having loss of down on offensive holding calls would be too much, I'd rather eliminate automatic first downs on the 5 yard defensive calls.

I also hate that the CFL and NFL both don't have a 10 yard penalty for PI, at the ref's discretion. The spot foul for PI is just brutal.


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Penalties are one of the many reasons I quit watching football.


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