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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:37 pm 
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GO BIG BLUE!!! What a game! The New York Football Giants supposed to win 4-6 games this year!

I was pulling for all New York teams today and they didn’t disappoint!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:05 pm 
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Classic Vikings.
Better to lose today than in SF next week I guess.
The Vikings had better fire the defensive coordinator tomorrow.

Worst defense of all their play-off teams, and I don’t know how you make it better.
They will have to cut Adam Thielen.
Jefferson is going to want to get paid, and rightly so.


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Who Dey! Bengals are showing they aren't a one year wonder. They're rematch against The Bills is going to be very interesting?

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TS Garp wrote:
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Classic Vikings.
Better to lose today than in SF next week I guess.
The Vikings had better fire the defensive coordinator tomorrow.


Worst defense of all their play-off teams, and I don’t know how you make it better.
They will have to cut Adam Thielen.
Jefferson is going to want to get paid, and rightly so.

maybe, other than miami without tua, the vikings were the overall worst playoff team. they could have very easily been 4 - 11 or 5 - 12

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 Post subject: NFL Football 2022-23
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:03 pm 
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I’ll say it again:

Cousins is a great fantasy QB but not in reality.

Truth be told, he had a very good season and played mostly well yesterday.

There is just a disconnect in Prime Time and clutch moments that is baffling.

The Vikings D was rotten most of the year and that’s really what doomed them.

All credit to NY though as Daniel Jones has really rewarded the Giants for sticking with him so long, which is extremely rare for an organization to do these days.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:31 pm 
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I’ll say it again:

Cousins is a great fantasy QB but not in reality.

Truth be told, he had a very good season and played mostly well yesterday.

There is just a disconnect in Prime Time and clutch moments that is baffling.

The Vikings D was rotten most of the year and that’s really what doomed them.

All credit to NY though as Daniel Jones has really rewarded the Giants for sticking with him so long, which is extremely rare for an organization to do these days.



Cousins had a damn good year. But when you have an OL that can't block (Dallas game) and a defense that can't keep the other team from scoring, you have to go into overdrive.

Mostly, I agreed with you on Cousins over the last couple of years, but when KOC came along, things changed for the better.

Defensively, they were at the bottom of the NFL and it showed yesterday, big time. It was an embarrassment.

Cousins' last play of the game was a dumb as they come.

I'm not pissed or even disappointed. I knew we'd get hammered by the big dogs. I actually thought we'd win the NYG game and stink it up in SF.

KOC deserves credit for getting us where we went. Next season, the fans will expect more (consistent and better).



Next up, the Cowboys/Tampa. I'm a fan all the way back to the Staubach days. Jerry has screwed the team up so bad that I find myself rooting against them, thinking Jerry will hire a real GM. Each year, he proves me wrong.

If the boys beat Tampa, they'll surely lose the following game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:07 pm 
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Mark MN wrote:
Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I’ll say it again:

Cousins is a great fantasy QB but not in reality.

Truth be told, he had a very good season and played mostly well yesterday.

There is just a disconnect in Prime Time and clutch moments that is baffling.

The Vikings D was rotten most of the year and that’s really what doomed them.

All credit to NY though as Daniel Jones has really rewarded the Giants for sticking with him so long, which is extremely rare for an organization to do these days.



Cousins had a damn good year. But when you have an OL that can't block (Dallas game) and a defense that can't keep the other team from scoring, you have to go into overdrive.

Mostly, I agreed with you on Cousins over the last couple of years, but when KOC came along, things changed for the better.

Defensively, they were at the bottom of the NFL and it showed yesterday, big time. It was an embarrassment.

Cousins' last play of the game was a dumb as they come.

I'm not pissed or even disappointed. I knew we'd get hammered by the big dogs. I actually thought we'd win the NYG game and stink it up in SF.

KOC deserves credit for getting us where we went. Next season, the fans will expect more (consistent and better).



Next up, the Cowboys/Tampa. I'm a fan all the way back to the Staubach days. Jerry has screwed the team up so bad that I find myself rooting against them, thinking Jerry will hire a real GM. Each year, he proves me wrong.

If the boys beat Tampa, they'll surely lose the following game.

jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US public figure that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.

i'm guessing that they are probably more than acquaintances.

hence, i simply cannot root for the dallas cowboys under any circumstances whatsoever.

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 Post subject: NFL Football 2022-23
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:43 pm 
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Renny wrote:
Mark MN wrote:
Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I’ll say it again:

Cousins is a great fantasy QB but not in reality.

Truth be told, he had a very good season and played mostly well yesterday.

There is just a disconnect in Prime Time and clutch moments that is baffling.

The Vikings D was rotten most of the year and that’s really what doomed them.

All credit to NY though as Daniel Jones has really rewarded the Giants for sticking with him so long, which is extremely rare for an organization to do these days.



Cousins had a damn good year. But when you have an OL that can't block (Dallas game) and a defense that can't keep the other team from scoring, you have to go into overdrive.

Mostly, I agreed with you on Cousins over the last couple of years, but when KOC came along, things changed for the better.

Defensively, they were at the bottom of the NFL and it showed yesterday, big time. It was an embarrassment.

Cousins' last play of the game was a dumb as they come.

I'm not pissed or even disappointed. I knew we'd get hammered by the big dogs. I actually thought we'd win the NYG game and stink it up in SF.

KOC deserves credit for getting us where we went. Next season, the fans will expect more (consistent and better).



Next up, the Cowboys/Tampa. I'm a fan all the way back to the Staubach days. Jerry has screwed the team up so bad that I find myself rooting against them, thinking Jerry will hire a real GM. Each year, he proves me wrong.

If the boys beat Tampa, they'll surely lose the following game.

jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US politician that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.

i'm guessing that they are probably more than acquaintances.

hence, i simply cannot root for the dallas cowboys under any circumstances whatsoever.


I can agree with this statement and also will never root for Dallas (they are enemies of the Eagles after all), Jones or the other unmentionable.

I’m very curious what Brady will be able to do tonight.

Dallas and Dak are frauds, but I see them winning.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:14 pm 
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Renny wrote:
jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US public figure that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.


Thanks for dragging politics into the forum (again). You won't admit it, but that's exactly what you did.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:01 pm 
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Just checking in on football since the Jets started the season 7-4. I didn’t see them on the schedule this weekend so they must have gotten the first round bye. Nice!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:19 pm 
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Mark MN wrote:
Renny wrote:
jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US public figure that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.

Thanks for dragging politics into the forum (again). You won't admit it, but that's exactly what you did.


There can be non-political reasons for thinking someone is a sub-standard human being.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:26 pm 
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I was not expecting tonight's game to go the way it has

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Mark MN wrote:
Renny wrote:
jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US public figure that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.


Thanks for dragging politics into the forum (again). You won't admit it, but that's exactly what you did.

you have no idea who i am speaking of, none whatsoever.

one should not ever assume.

so actually you dragged politics into the forum, not me.

if you want know who i speak of, send me a PM and i will tell you.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:28 am 
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I was not expecting tonight's game to go the way it has

I definitely thought it was a possibility -- even with Brady, the Bucs did go 8-9 this season. Every team in their division was sub .500 and it still took a heroic comeback in week 16 against a 6-10 Panthers team starting Sam Darnold to clinch the division. A lot of the issues that plagued them in the regular season plagued them last night -- receivers not in sync with Brady on the routes and very little running game (and thus very little play action).

In my mind, the question was more about which version of the Cowboys will show up -- the team that's loaded with talent and plays like it, or the team that comes out flat and can't figure out how to get back in sync. The Cowboys aren't the best team in the NFC, but it was always their game to lose.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:42 am 
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TS Garp wrote:
Mark MN wrote:
Renny wrote:
jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US public figure that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.

Thanks for dragging politics into the forum (again). You won't admit it, but that's exactly what you did.


There can be non-political reasons for thinking someone is a sub-standard human being.

and everytime the cowboys do anything positive the TV has to show that asshole in his luxury booth kissing all the girls in sight.

how many times was the tampa bay owner on TV? for that matter, who is the tampa bay owner?

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Invisible Pedestrian wrote:
I’ll say it again:

Cousins is a great fantasy QB but not in reality.

Truth be told, he had a very good season and played mostly well yesterday.

There is just a disconnect in Prime Time and clutch moments that is baffling.

I saw a pundit on TV that probably had the right take -- in the Vikings comeback win over Buffalo, on that key fourth down which led to that amazing one-handed catch, Kirk Cousins said to Justin Jefferson, "I'm coming to you on this play no matter what." That means even if he was blanketed in coverage, Cousins would throw it his way and give him a chance to make a hero play. As for this play, he said --

    "On the 4th down throw, Cousins said he saw Jefferson with safety help and felt a sack was imminent. So he threw to Hockenson short of the sticks because it was the only way he thought he could keep the play alive."

So Cousins probably made the "right" choice in terms of the play design, but the wrong choice in terms of making a "gut decision". I don't know the play, but I imagine it was a verticals play with the TE as the checkdown in case pressure gets there. The pressure got there and Cousins did what his coaches coached him to do on that play -- but in this specific situation, it was absolutely the wrong decision. Better to lob it up to either Jefferson or your second best receiver and hope they can make a play.

That all said, I think the coaches didn't help him by making a TE the checkdown outlet. We've all seen dump off passes well behind the line to gain become first downs thanks to a speedy runningback who can make LBs miss in open space. Dump that pass off to a Darren Sproles type and you have a chance. Hockenson is a good TE but he's not going to juke guys and outrun them to the sticks,

On Cousins overall -- I think he's "good enough" to win a Super Bowl if the team is loaded and gets lucky through the playoffs, but he's definitely not great and isn't going to be the primary reason a team wins a Super Bowl. He'd have to be part of a very strong ensemble.

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Renny wrote:
TS Garp wrote:
Mark MN wrote:
Renny wrote:
jerry jones reminds me very much of a former US public figure that i find to be one of the most despicable human beings on the planet. needless to say i don't like him (them).....at all.

Thanks for dragging politics into the forum (again). You won't admit it, but that's exactly what you did.


There can be non-political reasons for thinking someone is a sub-standard human being.

and everytime the cowboys do anything positive the TV has to show that asshole in his luxury booth kissing all the girls in sight.

how many times was the tampa bay owner on TV? for that matter, who is the tampa bay owner?


Yeah, they show Jones entirely too much.

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Yeah, they show Jones entirely too much.

Gotta give the ladies something to look at.

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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Jason Gore wrote:
I was not expecting tonight's game to go the way it has

I definitely thought it was a possibility -- even with Brady, the Bucs did go 8-9 this season. Every team in their division was sub .500 and it still took a heroic comeback in week 16 against a 6-10 Panthers team starting Sam Darnold to clinch the division. A lot of the issues that plagued them in the regular season plagued them last night -- receivers not in sync with Brady on the routes and very little running game (and thus very little play action).

In my mind, the question was more about which version of the Cowboys will show up -- the team that's loaded with talent and plays like it, or the team that comes out flat and can't figure out how to get back in sync. The Cowboys aren't the best team in the NFC, but it was always their game to lose.

I always expect the latter...especially when the situation gives them the opportunity to really blow it. I don't trust the Dallas team; I think there is something fundamentally flawed in them. And to be honest, there is a certain desire to see them fail because of Jones.

I know the Bucs were bad, and if they hadn't had Brady at QB, it would likely have been the Sunday 1 pm slot instead of Monday primetime, because everyone would have expected Dallas to blow them out. and it turns out they did, so good for them. But to get to the Super Bowl they have to go through the Eagles and Niners; that's a rough road to travel.


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I didn't pick the games in advance, but the only one that really surprised me was the Chargers losing to the Jags. Just an ugly display of football.

Minnesota had to have their luck run out, and Cousins is not a big game QB (see Hanzo's note)
The right Dallas showed up, and blew the bucks out
San Francisco versus Gino Smith? Really?
Without Tua or Jackson, those games were foregone conclusions

So on to this week, and I'll take:
Eagles in a dog fight
Niners cause Dak blows it, and Mr. Irrelevant doesn't
Chiefs in a blow out
Bengals again in a classic - weather permitting


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This is interesting -- ranking NFL teams this year by "luck". The criteria is win-probability added by your opponent dropping your interceptions, dropping their own passes, field goals / extra points, and fumble recoveries. Essentially, three are unforced mistakes and one is random luck.

Nothing too shocking -- the teams who unexpectedly overperformed got a lot of luck this year. The only surprise for me is the Bills, Miami, and Dallas toward the bottom of the list since those teams all made the playoffs. I guess you gotta take your hat off to them for winning in spite of bad luck, especially Buffalo, who had the #1 seed until the Damar Hamlin incident.

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Hanzo the Razor wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Yeah, they show Jones entirely too much.

Gotta give the ladies something to look at.

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he is a disgusting old man.......well, maybe they can see his wallet!

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